From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Kangas Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Always-true predicate? Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2021 06:52:57 -0600 Message-ID: References: <875z2qoqc6.fsf@gnus.org> <87eehcsal4.fsf@gmail.com> <83zh002zjm.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="579"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: larsi@gnus.org, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii , Robert Pluim Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Feb 19 13:56:23 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lD5KZ-000AcD-GA for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 19 Feb 2021 13:56:23 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38972 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lD5KY-0002rx-HD for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 19 Feb 2021 07:56:22 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:35664) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lD5HJ-0007tK-P3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Feb 2021 07:53:01 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-pj1-x1029.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::1029]:51046) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lD5HI-0005bW-3v; Fri, 19 Feb 2021 07:53:01 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-pj1-x1029.google.com with SMTP id cl8so3655525pjb.0; Fri, 19 Feb 2021 04:52:58 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=pytT4ED8aN+zxhxUOjCGWhdFcf10tiIyr+tvfLuShIA=; b=jFWpyKI3FTqocmFHadaLduhPzUq904m59a/6Ci8LC+InrqvNzcaq+Hrbdguj8IaAY0 oqNQthZyNAx0j6rH8ofNsEYS0OUXU0pE0doM/ZyiQIiq0y73+W0v02nHXgP6s7MkmI+4 do6+G7+twldx33uBMRKtgchL9aHtLvM6wdaXA2evVFnyMkHBaaxCk2MFyqFkBsNFqZEC gs5H1nzqmSebA6xw2T1wixPd6F+ssHc/QA+PqlEnG/NJJ4M9tE6IhRotp/GGA8C9ML5U Onvk9lEKwouclnx96KxayyZTZEXgQqR9OWfonmDs6dQsPMbQ9YHAdSaHnJNOqBiUEcEQ 0k/w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=pytT4ED8aN+zxhxUOjCGWhdFcf10tiIyr+tvfLuShIA=; b=TR1XRPbtLJnnudYwTfiPvcwxopGwfPRiWF/nwkdgKcl9Kw2J9ozzTedAhe615dbT5l vzxXuZBpyTox+m61hqIE0r/8J/X98fHdILQgmA7YoPX9WYdBatNdOEiabkZ4oVOocTw4 6WNdadQGHlgSMMVG+zWrZ6Y3LtjYEgRZrTAZBMFDwGdaQxCLuxHI4LljcORPLQMk+DO8 fnqXvCulFyQRdkQ0qAdBiCmiSeMKZa1mNwg1YNGeoWzzOb4EhLcKFlhLsk3xQbaxh5ty Nz2L/Ni+IJ1mjymH8qNvSOnYd1MjihDad3oRgI8vmyLcM4O2yX1ggrPR96v+OxcQxu5A yctQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530wRF6k94FLJy2cxVljbOhnb4mqXMazhtmwfBpM3xSbdHsYrVU8 kfC1wQeSjwJe7QOZaOJBZjY0ERegteC2WEyQ38gZCsc9 X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwpZ8OBjKyGgShqYQ1N+dkAFa/HsxoVT2bMaoT+WfcMCrhrFjRzs9mkk7fBNp91+XmipxACjtzvUKRVLHcKGMw= X-Received: by 2002:a17:903:31c4:b029:e1:8840:8ab9 with SMTP id v4-20020a17090331c4b02900e188408ab9mr1773892ple.70.1613739177738; Fri, 19 Feb 2021 04:52:57 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Fri, 19 Feb 2021 06:52:57 -0600 In-Reply-To: <83zh002zjm.fsf@gnu.org> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::1029; envelope-from=stefankangas@gmail.com; helo=mail-pj1-x1029.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:265242 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: > I must diverge somewhat here, and express my uneasiness, to say the > least, with the recent-ish fashion of making too many user options > have function values. It makes "M-x set-variable" much less > convenient than it should be, and it makes customizing such options > harder for users who aren't proficient in Lisp. Could you elaborate on how it makes it harder to customize? Doesn't `customize-option' hide that away? BTW, should perhaps `set-variable' support completing on the forms in :type somehow? Is that a realistic idea?