From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Stefan Kangas Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: (emacs) Intro [was: Making Emacs popular again with a video] Date: Fri, 29 May 2020 00:40:01 -0700 Message-ID: References: <779cc2b0-c546-2a80-afd3-79f10bda1b7e@yandex.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="68584"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Drew Adams , "excalamus--- via Emacs development discussions." 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That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:251610 Archived-At: excalamus@tutanota.com writes: > - Strictly speaking GNU Emacs and Emacs are distinct.=C2=A0 What > recommendations do you have for navigating the distinction?=C2=A0 Or shou= ld > we *not* make a distinction?=C2=A0 Maybe I'm just being pedantic. There is an interesting history here, and I'm as fascinated by this as the next guy. But in this day and age, GNU Emacs has completely eclipsed all other versions of Emacs. I'm not sure the benefit of bringing up that history here, especially since there are many good articles and resources that discuss this elsewhere. It risks confusing or even sending users looking for other Emacsen (likely a dead-end). My conclusion is that we should avoid discussing other versions of Emacs in this introduction. > Maybe we should gloss over the distinction in the manual text > and include a separate history node? I don't see why not. The only problem I know of is that the manual is already very long in printed form. > - Terminology, like "Emacsen", exists within the community (EmacsWiki, > etc.) which is confusing if you conflate GNU Emacs with Emacs.=C2=A0 I wa= s > certainly confused by this.=C2=A0 Maybe add such terminology to the > glossary? Maybe EmacsWiki should just be refocused on GNU Emacs, instead. > - Other Emacs are referenced within GNU Emacs's code-base.=C2=A0 Running > grep on my Emacs install turns up 281 matches for "xemacs".=C2=A0 I doubt > that's going to trip many people up, but who knows. We have been working on reducing the number of such instances. I think some things just needs work, and in some cases (e.g. cc-mode) it's not clear to me if the maintainer wants to drop XEmacs support just yet. > Absolutely!=C2=A0 I'm so stinkin' excited to be working with you (all) on > this.=C2=A0 Thank you for taking the time to share your perspective and > experience! Happy to help, thanks for working on this. You had some specific questions but I couldn't think of a good answer, so I'll leave that in the hope that someone else will. Best regards, Stefan Kangas