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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:266845 Archived-At: Dmitry Gutov writes: > On 23.03.2021 00:02, Stefan Kangas wrote: >> But if we're going to do that, `C-o' seems like a bad choice. If it is >> to be worth changing this keybinding to anything, it should be to >> `find-file'. That is, after all, what all other software assigns this >> key to. > > I think something like this is only worthwhile if we were changing a > whole bunch of bindings. Like not just C-o, but also C-n and C-s, to > their "other software" counterparts. Perhaps. But it also gets progressively harder to convince emacs-devel about it the more keys you add into the mix. Being an old crank, I'm not even sure I'm very convinced myself. ;-) > Perhaps not by default, but as a part of some "keybindings theme". Yes, it would definitely be interesting to see if making far-reaching changes in keybindings could work out. A theme/profile would be a good and presumably uncontroversial method to find out.