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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:296805 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> compilation warnings are still very common (the situation is >> improving, tho, and arguably the warnings popping up out of the blue >> during lazy native compilation may prove to be a good way to convince >> more package authors to clean up their act). > > So this, too, is extremely temporary, and will disappear soon enough, > at least in popular packages. I don't see that the situation has substantially improved, though I'm of course happy to hear that Stefan M remains optimistic. In far too many cases, it is very hard to get fixes for warnings merged in a timely manner, and it's even harder to get those fixes actually released. Here are some recent examples, to give an idea: https://github.com/deb0ch/emacs-winum/pull/31 https://github.com/lewang/ws-butler/pull/40 https://github.com/Malabarba/aggressive-indent-mode/pull/150 These examples can be multiplied at will.