From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Kangas Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Add hints to documentation of car and cdr for (e)lisp newcomers - take 2 Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2021 22:54:56 +0200 Message-ID: References: <8735shrl57.fsf@tullinup.koldfront.dk> <83v95c7v3v.fsf@gnu.org> <87bl74evd7.fsf@gnus.org> <87bl74ry2z.fsf@gnus.org> <831r7z7jgl.fsf@gnu.org> <83tukv60a2.fsf@gnu.org> <30917EA3-D0B2-40E0-AE09-0825ADB95591@traduction-libre.org> <871r7zilp0.fsf@gnus.org> <83o8b35xbe.fsf@gnu.org> <87r1fzh5or.fsf@gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="9110"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: lists@traduction-libre.org, Eli Zaretskii , Emacs developers , =?UTF-8?Q?Adam_Sj=C3=B8gren?= , Stefan Monnier To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Jul 15 22:56:16 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1m48P2-00027R-Il for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 15 Jul 2021 22:56:16 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58102 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m48P1-0002oU-IF for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 15 Jul 2021 16:56:15 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:38582) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m48Ny-00021R-TX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 15 Jul 2021 16:55:11 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-pg1-f178.google.com ([209.85.215.178]:46877) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m48Nx-00079V-Ba; Thu, 15 Jul 2021 16:55:10 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-pg1-f178.google.com with SMTP id w15so7733155pgk.13; Thu, 15 Jul 2021 13:55:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=9o5Rk9NPMBLNeDfTPxUftnmUujs9MiI8CnwYNFZ13V0=; b=VugwuoEbzkxb92iGWW0T0JeHBNQiwl/dbRMiT7A/DLPfkwdu7Bv9sd/t4v7KQB5Lwz 7OEgUwe8D5AdWlwiAhXnMyZm8eO/eM12Mf1YfPgKv6FOmRl6NY1CzqcIRHqkpfOAHsad biUpNL3Kn65bPkjlwrOUYgLeBfbic+OexmkguI+JDBcwHrKdhaHVYTaTnVpEdWRTMweK 3rVSZo2s4u3J/vvgzKab61WkGAtw7IsyrG5TnYVN4LtSEa2x5X+lX0HoJ51y64toeoA7 8fS+JyF65He/gnWBqoFmCWAU3YSkPD7FoCCgZ942weD7suiuBgq/4nVTdqp+nVxBe3Bi TFFQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533vd6m3VXTawcJa7kn+s25x5PiF9eSlTMjTvAWsDl/pg8N6fXbj Ee0er+ZkHCfwXuvSNwV8CNvEn1cjzWsJz6JHgMU= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwRDe/7ESBAa5c1VhxILmZ5jGwYNbGIARYvFI95GueqoKRn0Fj9unLuh0A/WdmFMGURVKzlrzPNsa2lx5kpgbU= X-Received: by 2002:aa7:8683:0:b029:32e:2a35:941e with SMTP id d3-20020aa786830000b029032e2a35941emr6681454pfo.44.1626382507648; Thu, 15 Jul 2021 13:55:07 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87r1fzh5or.fsf@gnus.org> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=209.85.215.178; envelope-from=stefankangas@gmail.com; helo=mail-pg1-f178.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -13 X-Spam_score: -1.4 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.249, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.248, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:271273 Archived-At: Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > That's true, but the "probably introduced" bit is the least important > thing in the *Help* buffer, so emphasising it in the current way is > unfortunate. > > I think we should move it to the end of the buffer, or hide it by > default (with some button to reveal this and other less-than-vital > stuff). Moving it to the end seems like an easy improvement to make. I'm not as sure about the shortdoc reference, as it seems more useful, but I suppose we could move that to the end as well.