From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Kangas Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#15917: 24.3.50; manual: mention keys reserved for users Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2020 18:16:34 -0700 Message-ID: References: <87wqk6e5zm.fsf@web.de> <87v9euwzbe.fsf@gnus.org> <87blglmjlc.fsf@web.de> <54a1c039-6929-4e4d-ac9b-e7e5daf37c68@default> <62b06d46-5371-4df7-a3c5-b53f84e728ef@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="24873"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 15917@debbugs.gnu.org, Paul Smith To: Drew Adams , Michael Heerdegen , Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Oct 30 02:18:48 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kYJ44-0006N0-F9 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 30 Oct 2020 02:18:48 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48902 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kYJ43-0006Er-D1 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 29 Oct 2020 21:18:47 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:52792) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kYJ2M-0004FF-KP for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 29 Oct 2020 21:17:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:44020) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kYJ2L-0005P4-Rs for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 29 Oct 2020 21:17:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kYJ2L-0005kP-Lh for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 29 Oct 2020 21:17:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Kangas Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2020 01:17:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 15917 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 15917-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B15917.160402060222064 (code B ref 15917); Fri, 30 Oct 2020 01:17:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 15917) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Oct 2020 01:16:42 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55566 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kYJ22-0005jo-K4 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 29 Oct 2020 21:16:42 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-ej1-f44.google.com ([209.85.218.44]:34796) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kYJ20-0005jb-TV for 15917@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 29 Oct 2020 21:16:41 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-ej1-f44.google.com with SMTP id o9so4308946ejg.1 for <15917@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 29 Oct 2020 18:16:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=cgn9qd1oZ9ycBlqukasK5Mv9rZbxQT3XCfza6FFzcUE=; b=qMynLlxsWghx49oME1G+hUD31rZ0V9/0I4fQWfFjPhQ4yfL7jhaAG+KiU97bRks/gh LrHzEqOS6hN3Y6YlN0/gDGRyNjBRCEIU/sd3ioDrYBeybBR5PAmeVPngqFLgvCYKUCOC OlMuz5tVeNRJqSBFFLg24wq+jXA8UX/VRheAJLacdLyWLvTzXiNWki/8mYZEGPkwH1yb eDwP3tG4FFhlXXuCWbWXAR622Yy1mNKVAPqBecH9anhzNW8mO6hj3tpu3h+J6svWUbKt gHplPqLu0V9caQJcyowAZ+08SmCHmfr4pDuqTzbe54rI32t/kxytnp7hyeGov82neeRz z2DQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532Y2fP9bL1UgFqcS1RnpWF5FTrcIWuLNpLVIutsNCIrCwjSHvPS pwv/di9VPsvx0R4YnvIedcksp9K8EmQFqS16Qn0= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJymiif/u5SMCz+nklKlzA5knqvkVfSljep4mYuuIbleNxPF3+QoKL9pjDcDxGyFeTIdFehEUqaFcuogoYYAGA8= X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:804:: with SMTP id e4mr100791ejd.420.1604020595231; Thu, 29 Oct 2020 18:16:35 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Thu, 29 Oct 2020 18:16:34 -0700 In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:192026 Archived-At: Drew Adams writes: > "Should" has at least two meanings: (1) you should > do something (like must but less strong) and (2) > something probably will happen. > > #2 says that we expect that something will likely > happen, but it doesn't say who makes it happen. > It's passive. There's no telling someone that > you want them to do something. It's just saying > that something will likely happen (somehow). > > My suggestion is that we not allow such a reading. > Remove such ambiguity. OK. How do you propose to do that? The full text would be: +Key sequences that consist of @kbd{C-c} followed by a letter (upper or +lower case) are ``reserved for users,'' and should not conflict with +any properly designed Emacs extension or Emacs itself. To me, it seems clear that the agent in this case would be either the Emacs developers or the package developers.