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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:314605 Archived-At: Po Lu writes: > When Mattias last proposed a policy of reverting changes which break the > build at once, there were essentially no objections. I think we should > definitely value a repository which builds over a repository that > cannot, merely in the interests of appearing collaborative: after all it > is possible to debate a change wherever it might be, in the repository > or elsewhere. OK, I think I see where you are coming from. My interpretation of that discussion is a bit different. To my mind, that discussion was mainly about what people use in their day-to-day hacking on Emacs, because that's where the disruption happens when the build is broken even if it's only broken briefly. I think that's mostly GCC (and clang to some extent) on GNU/Linux, macOS, MS-Windows and perhaps even a few of the *BSDs. AFAIK, the commit didn't affect any of those, but only more unusual ones that none of our regulars use.