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From: Stefan Kangas <stefan@marxist.se>
To: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>
Cc: 40813@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#40813: [PATCH] Convert some files from outline-mode to org-mode
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2020 14:19:11 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CADwFkm=41H8u3KXbkvdYZnNLhsVa2M=2JZQMxrP4M=fZ4vz-0A@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200424113216.42884.qmail@mail.muc.de>

Hi Alan,

Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> writes:

> >> > I believe org-mode is vastly more well-known and arguably also more
> >> > intuitive to users.
>
> I'm certain that's not right.  Anybody who can use Emacs at all knows
> outline-mode well enough to use it effectively.

FWIW, I never learned outline-mode properly.  I gave up at some point
and learned org-mode instead, which was a much smoother process
(mostly due to much better default keybindings).  But I started using
Emacs as late as 2004, so I guess YMMV.

> Very much so.  If these files' modes are changed to org-mode, then
> sooner or later, org-mode enthusiasts will start filling them up with
> obscure org-mode features, such that only an "org-mode elite" will be
> able to edit these files.

Which features do you think people would be interested in using
besides the navigational commands?  I can't think of any.

> Org-mode is difficult to learn and opaque (see discussions of its
> documentation in other threads).  It is thus unsuitable for basic text
> files.

I obviously have a different opinion.  :-)

> I'm strongly against this change happening.  But if it is to happen, it
> should be drawn to people's attention by having a discussion in
> emacs-devel.

Yup, makes sense.  I'll do that.

Best regards,
Stefan Kangas





      reply	other threads:[~2020-04-24 12:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-04-24  9:42 bug#40813: [PATCH] Convert some files from outline-mode to org-mode Stefan Kangas
2020-04-24 10:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-24 10:39   ` Stefan Kangas
2020-04-24 11:20     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-24 12:11       ` Stefan Kangas
2020-04-24 12:27         ` Robert Pluim
2020-04-24 12:29         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-24 18:16         ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-05-07 19:16         ` Stefan Kangas
2020-04-24 13:59     ` Noam Postavsky
2020-04-25  3:34   ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-25  6:40     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-26  3:24       ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-29 14:49         ` Robert Pluim
     [not found] ` <mailman.1087.1587724805.3066.bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2020-04-24 11:32   ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-04-24 12:19     ` Stefan Kangas [this message]

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