From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Stefan Kangas Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Making Emacs popular again with a video Date: Fri, 8 May 2020 06:41:01 -0400 Message-ID: References: <5230692c-c665-a330-7a12-e59fa25d97dd@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="50571"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" To: Nathan Colinet , emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri May 08 12:42:10 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jX0SI-000D3F-EY for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 08 May 2020 12:42:10 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:32846 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jX0SH-000835-Fq for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 08 May 2020 06:42:09 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:50254) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jX0RD-0007Wu-Uv for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 08 May 2020 06:41:05 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-yb1-xb36.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::b36]:46921) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jX0RD-0002OX-4q for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 08 May 2020 06:41:03 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-yb1-xb36.google.com with SMTP id v9so684826ybq.13 for ; Fri, 08 May 2020 03:41:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=uVLRaKljv0SO8IiCVdJ7n5wFn0v4UVls14pjaq0Npb4=; b=sSUX1vxFGSzdfhjyWmqmheYYYlaG9XZ3z8huIGsBOvQCVBda5Ea8aKDAqmaHrZOG3z b2DUSEKVpKRHsMs5n4mdceTGlocbA4Rsh1gyj7+hwjwpZu/lvE1TTwoEQjph7giXtkmL FXkUozdbqjpXPypAzzRteFvw8YFjRhgu+CghUPVpH7ID8WfyhZPRt6iaDHGZXylqaHHy c3s4xDlOHs1UunwW5+ZwIKYx5DWZmqR5ToHxbLb48VcXsW7KetglhG+uTWO5/XyRIj3B CKk8eyl9F/YP8JI5LoT286zJFNLD3BYaBF7ztgePbZsvgb4dJ/2OBd08qQjn3a5mZpNY Ge7g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=uVLRaKljv0SO8IiCVdJ7n5wFn0v4UVls14pjaq0Npb4=; b=bTifIzAkZCPJKborti9800wbBCM4pbkeAhVUp0KqAjpEYHhADFXlK4z++K5qADWpEk 3RLd4rXL2mYN5sj/fKpLXI6NdWvN2oSSbmJ4ck27iyCY3uSMgHNHz6hUw35sYx5W08c5 GGpTuiC/bsxRg9Z0sZUbNoLCGMAVtvFRM1ESPISTB03g8kb4is8gyXhCCDb41L+QDcJK uFXyhFNLdxE0Ut19ECUJUtM7vZoPjQl53/VMMHy1YnaBtgfJpsmZ+AbXnMofz3G2R7dg A3hxSLnz2F0+vbSyJjSyUzLT9nDbEofrXNDwqsbrlfyPhV5qCzRn2lSLy+5NCeuPrpne dMfg== X-Gm-Message-State: AGi0Puax7hUbHSIR07Nfc+FxKoh1p1MVBGNrk5TxAqTKq2RW4mBS1/cW 3EBb/6d5sZPSGWpNwheRT94tp/SLLLmLDQSO1kA= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APiQypJeTD7pnHvf2WiCbf3q27S+x6cAUxQk+tQLx9i7NsLaVpQjSsEKK+zrdGDZmRcmQUqJZXDYnXNyWY1Gjp//Qxw= X-Received: by 2002:a25:4c04:: with SMTP id z4mr3698030yba.466.1588934461467; Fri, 08 May 2020 03:41:01 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Fri, 8 May 2020 06:41:01 -0400 In-Reply-To: <5230692c-c665-a330-7a12-e59fa25d97dd@gmail.com> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::b36; envelope-from=stefankangas@gmail.com; helo=mail-yb1-xb36.google.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: No matching host in p0f cache. That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:249257 Archived-At: Nathan Colinet writes: > I started using emacs a year ago and when I started everything was > really confusing, what is a frame, what is a buffer, how to install > packages, what are major and minor modes, etc.. I wanted to give up but Welcome to Emacs! You made the right choice. > then I saw a 1 hour talk about Emacs that shows how powerful it is. Then > I was hooked. Unfortunately the sound was no good at all and it was way > too long. I think it could be really benefic for emacs to have a 5-10 > minutes video that would present Emacs not as an old obscure porgram but > as an amazing fresh looking tool that drastically improves efficiency. This is a very good idea. The only problem is that someone has to do it. :-) Would you be prepared to volunteer for working on that? > I think people nowadays need an out-of-the-box experience, that's why > promoting doom-emacs or spacemacs might be better than the default > Emacs. This is valuable input, I think. Best regards, Stefan Kangas