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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:200372 Archived-At: --001a11416d400c0974052c45a2ee Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 21 February 2016 at 18:05, Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote: Elias M=C3=A5rtenson writes: > > > On a related note, I would expect a search for =C3=B6 to match =C3=B8. = As would > you, I > > guess? > > No, I wouldn't. :-) Actually, I wouldn't expect anything other than > the 26 first letters of the alphabet to match variants. > All right, but at least in Sweden we often write Danish and Norwegian names using =C3=B8 and =C3=A6, so for us we definitely want to fold those into = =C3=B6 and =C3=A4. That was what I was referring to. I.e. the former are definitely variants of the latter. In fact, there is an argument to be made for "=C3=BC" to be = a variant of "y" as well, even though it's very rare (pretty much limited to a single word: "M=C3=BCsli"). > It's like it's fine if you're typing in lower case characters for them > to match upper case, too, but if you've bothered to type an upper case > character, then you probably don't want lower case characters to match. This is how Emacs behaves today, is it not? Regards, Elias --001a11416d400c0974052c45a2ee Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On 2= 1 February 2016 at 18:05, Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> = wrote:

<= span class=3D"">Elias M=C3=A5rtenson <lokedhs@gmail.com> writes:

> On a related note, I would expect a search for =C3=B6 to match =C3=B8.= As would you, I
> guess?

No, I wouldn't.=C2=A0 :-)=C2=A0 Actually, I wouldn't expect = anything other than
the 26 first letters of the alphabet to match variants.

All right, but at least in Sweden we often write Danish an= d Norwegian names using =C3=B8 and =C3=A6, so for us we definitely want to = fold those into =C3=B6 and =C3=A4. That was what I was referring to. I.e. t= he former are definitely variants of the latter. In fact, there is an argum= ent to be made for "=C3=BC" to be a variant of "y" as w= ell, even though it's very rare (pretty much limited to a single word: = "M=C3=BCsli").
=C2=A0
It's like it's fine if you're typing in lower case character= s for them
to match upper case, too, but if you've bothered to type an upper case<= br> character, then you probably don't want lower case characters to match.=

This is how Emacs behaves today, is it not= ?

Regards,
Elias=C2=A0
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