From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: =?UTF-8?Q?Elias_M=C3=A5rtenson?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs undo behavior frustrating for new users. (WAS: delete-selection-mode as default) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2018 02:33:21 +0800 Message-ID: References: <0CCFABF4-0F2B-4DAA-9C8E-11E1254A325E@gmail.com> <87woqka4wg.fsf_-_@red-bean.com> <875zxxt4ok.fsf@mbork.pl> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000e916970578ad410c" X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1540060303 27943 195.159.176.226 (20 Oct 2018 18:31:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2018 18:31:43 +0000 (UTC) Cc: noeltaylo@gmail.com, Richard Stallman , right.ho@gmail.com, emacs-devel , kfogel@red-bean.com, Yuri Khan To: Marcin Borkowski Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Oct 20 20:31:38 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gDw2E-0007B3-CQ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 20 Oct 2018 20:31:38 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56216 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gDw4L-0004BJ-1M for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 20 Oct 2018 14:33:49 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:38327) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gDw49-00049K-Bb for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 20 Oct 2018 14:33:39 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gDw48-0006Fq-Lf for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 20 Oct 2018 14:33:37 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-io1-xd43.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::d43]:35584) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gDw47-0006EQ-BF; Sat, 20 Oct 2018 14:33:35 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-io1-xd43.google.com with SMTP id 79-v6so5031806iou.2; Sat, 20 Oct 2018 11:33:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=Qs4akc/AF6txhr9nofEhl1Ggc76kkZvaHBfkTVKCH7Y=; b=ANbvnxF2Rocu25R7fgNORklkbSZHtjML8X4MpSyrwSr/YrK30WY8266ICM0ZXLcoTm /6hP2Cx5UUl150REgwLvxuWzaacjrUa/cBJ0HefbFUynJpC955kxyAyZr9xY8mKiVe9m xiCxQEJJNClPLzAEGamlqYtaASHCLDB6t1xhvhPhB4NzNye5wPDc1rmtO5Xl3u4kU8Qw Pz5zL2L8UufCyTDgd0gshS0HkNp0qVOL/Oc7m70QaH4izJP9qnWiSwf+xq+zRgyfcc3q sKuvPaDEP/85iZmPoPqIkDDpF4XO06sPOGntVT151jrbj3N784do1Fmxys9aiDHGusuV +6Bg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Qs4akc/AF6txhr9nofEhl1Ggc76kkZvaHBfkTVKCH7Y=; b=cDXohGFfMK9QII3preVPUx629sltuVu9PKaQChkVv3DzyMoi1gd+slItKr4aGt3+WP GAq5AoXBA9cGRv5DOuLYbeBnMGGfakBEDxuFusrSHGR7zBkhOVmK1XwWZ0IOZQTBRC4/ 2/gQdFuAJ3sKlxj5YPhqJaYSe3M6qZCXnF5iu2dbxdrX8zXG9GrxHXvGUTxrsNYupHP3 tLK2Ol3iSb+Xx91qQ8NKc/x2g27N1b6j+nHWcQdMIGwAaJzUCvOWcZ+0ehDZ8/Floipg IqssJQ95IrwMD/FMTAa+ZZqVQgsXgXULOl8M+lZfD8y5xXTDqknlZMl8VWBsoOiiksKq 93rQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AGRZ1gJ9MpmzRSBbFmPEwXA8udujYzW6qeXQZ/rkuw+n6sLI1L/lj4y7 9SQfl++Axv4NxQ7tbsh7JFrWWJf2Rd6GJpgABHc= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AJdET5d7FQyv1D748CVm7vDuMIZQEaN7uSvODkrg1N4h3F7sTLXDlx+k3gt2rPhmgo/fcUn15n3P2XbAVzXKVWtQmq0= X-Received: by 2002:a6b:e715:: with SMTP id b21-v6mr3656512ioh.37.1540060414021; Sat, 20 Oct 2018 11:33:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <875zxxt4ok.fsf@mbork.pl> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4864:20::d43 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:230529 Archived-At: --000000000000e916970578ad410c Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Sat, 20 Oct 2018, 16:17 Marcin Borkowski, wrote: > > FWIW, I find the default binding of C-z totally useless and a waste of > a good keybinding. I rebound it as a prefix key for my keymap > containing lots of useful commands. > Also FWIW, I also find the default not only useless, but annoying. I have rebound it to scrolling down by one line (and M-z for scrolling down). Those mappings come from the gosmacs bindings that used to be part of GNU Emacs until they were removed. Regards, Elias > --000000000000e916970578ad410c Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Sat, = 20 Oct 2018, 16:17 Marcin Borkowski, <= mbork@mbork.pl> wrote:

FWIW, I find the default binding of C-z totally useless and a waste of
a good keybinding.=C2=A0 I rebound it as a prefix key for my keymap
containing lots of useful commands.

Also FWIW, I also find the default not o= nly useless, but annoying. I have rebound it to scrolling down by one line = (and M-z for scrolling down). Those mappings come from the gosmacs bindings= that used to be part of GNU Emacs until they were removed.=C2=A0

Regards,=C2=A0
Elias=C2=A0
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