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From: "Elias Mårtenson" <lokedhs@gmail.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: Robert Pluim <rpluim@gmail.com>,
	smartlitchi@gmail.com, emacs-devel <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Default emacs init file location confusion
Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2020 01:33:14 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CADtN0WK8AOZgCfmK+Sj=ixg4MTH31_bcN5Jd6JLH0uTdosYKgg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <837e23chdm.fsf@gnu.org>

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On Wed, 8 Jan 2020 at 01:21, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> wrote:

>
> We need to decide which directory to create if neither of the 2
> candidates exist.  Previously, we had only one candidate, and we'd
> create it without any regrets.  I don't think I see how the current
> situation is suddenly different.  Moreover, I don't think I understand
> how to do something smarter, without breaking gobs of code that
> depends on user-emacs-directory be existing.  Ideas welcome.
>

The problem I see (which is indeed the problem I ran into myself, someone
who has used Emacs since the 80's) is that users will be confused about
this because the behaviour is new, and from the user's point of view, Emacs
simply isn't reading the $HOME/.emacs.d directory.

This confusion is caused by an unfamiliarity with new functionality.
Therefore, we must conclude that this is a temporary problem. Once
documentation, youtube videos, block posts, stackoveflow examples, etc has
been updated, this will no longer be a problem. Just like the confusion
between $HOME/.emacs and $HOME/.emacs.d/init.el is no longer an issue.

But for now, it is an issue, so the solution should be to put this
information in from of the user's face. That means displaying a warning
(including a y/n prompt) when the directory is created.

Perhaps this warning is only needed for one release cycle, and then users
will be informed. But right now, it is my opinion that such warning is
needed.

Regards,
Elias

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  reply	other threads:[~2020-01-07 17:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 90+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-01-07  2:51 Default emacs init file location confusion Elias Mårtenson
2020-01-07  3:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-01-07  3:40   ` Elias Mårtenson
2020-01-07  4:40     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-01-07 14:43       ` Lawrence Liu
2020-01-07 15:26         ` Robert Pluim
2020-01-07 16:12           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-01-07 16:25             ` Robert Pluim
2020-01-07 17:04               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-01-07 17:11                 ` Elias Mårtenson
2020-01-07 17:21                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-01-07 17:33                     ` Elias Mårtenson [this message]
2020-01-07 17:37                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-01-08  5:28                         ` Mingde (Matthew) Zeng
2020-01-08  5:33                           ` Elias Mårtenson
2020-01-08  7:22                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-01-08 10:05                               ` Elias Mårtenson
     [not found]                               ` <m2eewajram.fsf@gmail.com>
2020-01-08 10:05                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-01-08 10:13                                   ` Elias Mårtenson
2020-01-08 10:22                                   ` Robert Pluim
2020-01-08 10:49                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-01-08 12:37                                       ` Robert Pluim
2020-01-08 13:51                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2020-01-08 15:58                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-01-08 16:28                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2020-01-08 16:32                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-01-08 16:41                                                 ` Mingde (Matthew) Zeng
2020-01-08 16:49                                                   ` Robert Pluim
2020-01-08 17:01                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-01-08 17:25                                                       ` Robert Pluim
2020-01-08 17:35                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-01-08 17:44                                                           ` Robert Pluim
2020-01-08 17:56                                                             ` Yuan Fu
2020-01-08 18:03                                                               ` Robert Pluim
2020-01-09  2:27                                                                 ` Yuan Fu
2020-01-08 18:07                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-01-08 18:12                                                               ` Robert Pluim
2020-01-08 18:19                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-01-08 19:45                                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2020-01-08 20:03                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-01-10 16:57                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-01-11  1:46                                                       ` Paul Eggert
2020-01-11  7:58                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-01-11 15:43                                                         ` Drew Adams
2020-01-11 16:16                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2020-01-11 18:08                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-01-13  7:53                                                         ` Robert Pluim
2020-01-13 14:36                                                           ` Robert Pluim
2020-01-13 15:27                                                             ` Colin Baxter
2020-01-13 15:37                                                               ` Robert Pluim
2020-01-13 15:58                                                                 ` Colin Baxter
2020-01-13 16:05                                                                   ` Robert Pluim
2020-01-13 16:42                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-01-13 16:59                                                                     ` Colin Baxter
2020-01-13 17:06                                                                       ` Robert Pluim
2020-01-13 17:21                                                                         ` Colin Baxter
2020-01-13 16:15                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-01-13 16:39                                                               ` Robert Pluim
2020-01-14 14:00                                                                 ` Robert Pluim
2020-01-14 16:05                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-01-15 13:03                                                                     ` Robert Pluim
2020-01-15 17:32                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-01-16  7:35                                                                         ` Robert Pluim
2020-01-16 15:02                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-01-16 15:08                                                                             ` Robert Pluim
2020-01-13 16:52                                                             ` Stefan Kangas
2020-01-13 16:17                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-01-13 16:29                                                             ` Robert Pluim
2020-01-08 23:26                                           ` chad
2020-01-08 23:32                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2020-01-09  3:34                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-01-09  1:26                                             ` HaiJun Zhang
2020-01-09  5:07                                               ` 황병희
2020-01-08 11:03                                   ` Mario Lang
2020-01-08 15:56                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-01-08  8:04                             ` Robert Pluim
2020-01-07 17:57                     ` Stefan Monnier
2020-01-07 18:08                       ` Stefan Monnier
2020-01-07 18:09                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-01-07 18:41                         ` Stefan Monnier
2020-01-07 18:57                           ` Yuan Fu
2020-01-07 19:15                             ` Greg Farough
2020-01-07 20:11                               ` Andrea Corallo
2020-01-07 18:53                         ` Yuan Fu
2020-01-07 17:12                 ` Yuan Fu
2020-01-07 17:26                   ` Elias Mårtenson
2020-01-07  3:46   ` Mingde (Matthew) Zeng
2020-01-07  3:50     ` Elias Mårtenson
2020-01-07  3:43 ` VanL
2020-01-07  3:51   ` Elias Mårtenson

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