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I want to help, but I am a weirdo who uses weird tools... I'll have to learn the, aham, "normal" tools to be able to help. What do you think about brainstorming by IRC? Cheers, Eduardo Ochs http://angg.twu.net/#eev On Sun, 16 Oct 2022 at 07:16, Philip Kaludercic wrote: > > Sacha Chua writes: > > >> but also commented on and "reviewed". This seems to suggest a review > >> site. (A quick web search suggests that there are frameworks out > >> there to facilitate creating such sites.) That said, posting > >> opinions seems of low value and rarely actionable (see below). > > > > Prot does a great job of writing blog posts and often making videos about > > his new packages, which are usually posted to GNU ELPA. I link to these in > > Emacs News, and they'll probably come up in searches as well. I notice that > > interesting new packages tend to get picked up in blog posts and Reddit > > threads in the weeks after the packages are published. I currently don't > > have the time to summarize posts beyond quick links, but perhaps someone > > would like to do a monthly round up like the way This Month in Org does? > > This is totally understandable, but yes something like "This Month in > Org" would be good reference. > > >> Perhaps also a place where people can post ideas for packages > >> This is a conversation. Would not a mailing list suffice. What is > >> wrong with help-gnu-emacs? > > Nothing is wrong with it, it is just that there are plenty of people who > don't know or don't follow it in detail. > > > I sometimes see conversations like that grow out of mailing lists or > > web-based forums like Reddit. Ideas are pretty easy to float, though, and > > it's hard to match them up with a person with the same itch. It seems to > > work out better when people share what they've figured out so far, then > > other people say they want something like that too, and then the code gets > > turned into a package. > > >> or where abandoned packages can find new maintainers. > >> How would this relate to https://github.com/emacsattic? > > That is for packages that have lost a maintainer, right? So the package > must have gone on without any maintenance for long enough for someone > reviewing patches and fixing issues like new warnings or the usage of > deprecated functions. I was thinking about a place where a maintainer > could announce that they don't have the interest or the time to attend > to a package, so that a replacement could been found sooner. > > > When there's an announcement, I usually put it in a Help Wanted section at > > the start of Emacs News. > > I did not know that you do that, in that case this specific idea is > superfluous. > > >> I am very impressed with Eli's leadership of emacs development. > > > > Eli is awesome! > > 1+ > > >> More immediately, look at his effort to drive toward better > >> abstraction and unification of the existing find-file and > >> find-sibling-file with Damien Cassou's pending related-files. This is > >> exactly the sort of effort I would hope to support. I see such > >> activities as curation. Thus I could imagine an emacs-curate mailing > >> list. I would be happy to subscribe. > > > > Andres Ramirez has been sending me links to interesting emacs-devel > > messages for possible inclusion in Emacs News. I'd love to get other > > people's links and notes as well. I read emacs-devel on a very cursory > > level (mostly looking at subjects and what Eli replies :) ), so extra > > context would be great! > > I didn't know this either, I will keep this in mind. If there are > interesting bug reports, would you be interested in my notifying you? >