From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eduardo Ochs Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Configuration files vs customization Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2023 20:15:08 -0300 Message-ID: References: <25548.5130.933634.159947@woitok.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="14862"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Dr Rainer Woitok Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Jan 22 00:16:04 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1pJN5g-0003hn-L8 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 22 Jan 2023 00:16:04 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pJN54-0005b8-JV; Sat, 21 Jan 2023 18:15:26 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pJN51-0005av-LK for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 21 Jan 2023 18:15:24 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-yw1-x112b.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::112b]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pJN4z-0005tI-TL for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 21 Jan 2023 18:15:23 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-yw1-x112b.google.com with SMTP id 00721157ae682-4c24993965eso123011977b3.12 for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2023 15:15:21 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=I5lmd6jWUJfJZo74rHsSHx4hvKdjreaC5DC5tU6kmog=; b=PLYc8CVsxmNEC7bxrbJsdmMhAWTpo3okiPk3m0ePSY4+TjWk33fr8fmwcsPWf7KhcS h1Ht457P3fAJRdFivr3Zi97TbLwbhZpRxMUePjb0GvbAzQ8j2Yf+Yl4NdrDTLqPyj0Ql IiaN3Y8lcbcZFdd50s1ODkZ6iQGlI+YZCXp0AgL6CiAyZdRSCGx2n1xlsdRvs/7r+8mW oflCgWUN6+dImGc/56WVygOxu7HqbYx33sIBjJO8acsKCONzvIhuv33GRKgbJiyc+h22 2DRzPOS9HqW7c7PIQm5LPODHg5ogFD2hcz8GVtthOAdvWX0MPC00osHTPmZy0RFOPgxD lSww== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=I5lmd6jWUJfJZo74rHsSHx4hvKdjreaC5DC5tU6kmog=; b=KHW924jnUNLkrdmFIVTcrIw1etRHTAEnfdD493WGF7X01tVIHb+QW3jOxXxLSjfvly 4grhIU+LEE9oN/8siaLm1KbJqqFWyAOfRnhsE9QgvDPO8UAywXO00/nJ9Ab+0lm7mxD3 RT8B0Nb1I8IksC5XjzSZXZFIWhqqn4Zc9AvFV8lA1eBx36mvGxyze2Edr8Q+cM9KdJje AYoH7SehJ/m55QibkCKAKil9FqgXhJiRLccrhiGjT3uugVaqyU969eNQMO3qQp/Gbufg XW7wzMduEGDseaP8MPa4Q8ewozPW3wkmM8My7hT38yTQk9RUeiTY8vW6qKMdrg5iQEzp fkAg== X-Gm-Message-State: AFqh2krb2cEcxJifkerFzaGNOsBYWcCY0T5y6yH1UuEo1GHiy0ks0gnN C/AOXxeXuY255GqvbeMXbyZcnBqC5I6h242b09E= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMrXdXsLy0hHfdQNoX2z1F7lQuCJ1kb9GKZTc9RHPxnqCVqT73BJoNS6TzDSt7t0ceSe6qzB9YxKekaJtg70syWyXa0= X-Received: by 2002:a0d:df89:0:b0:4ea:8aa2:8fb3 with SMTP id i131-20020a0ddf89000000b004ea8aa28fb3mr2967513ywe.209.1674342920074; Sat, 21 Jan 2023 15:15:20 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <25548.5130.933634.159947@woitok.gmail.com> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::112b; envelope-from=eduardoochs@gmail.com; helo=mail-yw1-x112b.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:142493 Archived-At: On Sat, 21 Jan 2023 at 13:34, Dr Rainer Woitok wrote: > (...) > > in the course of my transition from XEmacs to Emacs I meanwhile have > reached the point of getting Vm running under Emacs. But my first at- > tempt utterly failed. After some experimenting and checking variable > values with "C-h v" I came to the conclusion that at least in some vari- > ables' descriptions the remark "You can customize this variable" really > meant "You HAVE TO customize this variable". > > (...) > > How do others solve these configuration problems? Hi Rainer, I use customize a bit, but I avoid it as most as possible. My ~/.emacs has (something equivalent to) these two lines, ;; See: (info "(emacs)Saving Customizations") ;; (find-file "~/.emacs.custom") (setq custom-file "~/.emacs.custom") (load custom-file) and in most cases I "customize" packages by putting in my ~/.emacs blocks of code consisting of a setq preceded by elisp hyperlinks that point to my notes about that variable. My experiments with alternatives to customize are described here: http://angg.twu.net/eev-customize.html Cheers, Eduardo Ochs http://angg.twu.net/#eev