From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eduardo Ochs Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: How users start programming in Emacs Lisp... Date: Sun, 30 May 2021 12:35:49 -0300 Message-ID: References: <878s3xpab1.fsf@zoho.eu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="35500"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" To: Arthur Miller , help-gnu-emacs Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun May 30 17:36:26 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lnNUH-00093O-Tc for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 30 May 2021 17:36:25 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48090 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lnNUG-0001jA-Ts for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 30 May 2021 11:36:24 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:42554) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lnNTw-0001id-Qb for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 30 May 2021 11:36:04 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-pj1-x102c.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::102c]:45611) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lnNTu-0006Ut-Te for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 30 May 2021 11:36:04 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-pj1-x102c.google.com with SMTP id mq2-20020a17090b3802b0290162428291f5so2074865pjb.4 for ; Sun, 30 May 2021 08:36:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=y4PDW1cl/RA+mYaJZoQhvqi19VCMF1mfTKsBIBGAM90=; b=Q6piXVkzW4/JWPqH5dqqDu3htiVpmHO5fEpA8gpE4fxDRc8QULgpg182/dRz8kfvi8 UOjv2krf6LvUwi9pTyDAjDcRMyGAP3y5M176YCSjR0YOMBoqdnY56IthDZxnJgTdZg5K eEL3J9P81HKh6+ZtAGm9JGzRGgZPe3SyRzJKeueZz2ynqXCdlDM9vPwdtTfaqF36UjMS sv57pNzD7185kDLDSPXD3lKm5EusNiJW2ep9XcBfAi7lYos+RiGdVc2/54FSkAqrDPS2 I/H6EUfLu2tpbWacCRYwChTFM1iee1/zWlMb/tZtyfNetNeA1NAaOd6RC49tZ8he+k++ 7UpQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=y4PDW1cl/RA+mYaJZoQhvqi19VCMF1mfTKsBIBGAM90=; b=UcM6x8lZnIoR1UTJzJmSwImiaoqLgCpIrTDklHp5MjEqb2rrlb4uvRQmM2A4IPnIU7 /DrydS3wTHXd6JBwEv/r6AgvDVAr8l3xl0ocI5U7KKcwD+cQmbO1SAs8hBcJZy08hPj5 VR9gqBNqIeV2d4mmQ388GYjjvWNb1yzihUrmjxaQv8x58hAis0Lapy8JBGEdZ8BGtGO0 em/W+Cjy1uKlLH7ZPuvuf9KNvy5o5k0CJPH8cgbuyWPxplnqs6EaaX+/YbOR7//nES8R a4kFFAOA7XVc7Ce6iDA8xm97cC0TGG8kFs8DGojm0CFKDIEfGDuC0h/fJ3p+qdRDN7OH g9IQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532os5mOO9CQdREsGREUzsgsj+dTrtMGUS2UUN1dbJGy7m0ZJ5X6 sqGJz87ODWOA7/5/LRBCuP/9tP9fSjDA3kAbJxkdCiq6Ngg= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyXVil6AoqD448fWNZUaKtGRyg4gUV0KfEfcqsg0aBMdCM0ToCmwRioa98oB8KM9TTXy7Vl1FaEFBcbHsMs+s8= X-Received: by 2002:a17:90b:1bca:: with SMTP id oa10mr14583149pjb.100.1622388961336; Sun, 30 May 2021 08:36:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::102c; envelope-from=eduardoochs@gmail.com; helo=mail-pj1-x102c.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:130330 Archived-At: On Sun, 30 May 2021 at 08:43, Arthur Miller wrote: > > I think you are probably correct about saving notes. Some vary famious > scientists attribute almost everything to their notes. Maybe a > self-saving scratch buffer isn't bad idea. It could maybe append a date > and always open "fresh" but the true file would be save in the > background, as a sort of a database. Sort of like we clear the terminal > screen with Ctrl+l but the output is still there, just not > visible. There probably is some note-taking package that already does > that. Maybe some org-capture template that auto puts note in a lisp src > block. Or maybe your eev already does that. Still didn't try it. It > seems so conceptually big to me so I never get to it. Similar as that > other package Hyperbole. Hi Arthur, Eev is indeed "conceptually big" (unfortunately), but AFAIK it is compatible with everything else, it is easy to test "in small pieces", it is easy to turn on and off, it is very hacker-friendly in all senses, it is, or tries, to be very friendly to people with short attention spans who will play with it at most 10 minutes per session, and - ta-daaaa! - now it has very, very, very nice video links in its tutorials!!! See: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2021-05/msg00527.html http://angg.twu.net/2021-video-links.html If anything in the sales pitch above turns out to be false please tell me - I'll fix it and you'll also get twice your money back! =P Cheers =), Eduardo Ochs http://angg.twu.net/#eev