From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Nikodemus Siivola Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Kickstarter for Emacs Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 14:58:52 +0300 Message-ID: References: <87wr5dfm9v.fsf@gnu.org> <87398118ys.fsf@thinkpad.tsdh.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1334836747 13856 80.91.229.3 (19 Apr 2012 11:59:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 11:59:07 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Apr 19 13:59:05 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SKq0v-0006bJ-8S for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 13:59:05 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54079 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SKq0u-0006m3-N9 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 07:59:04 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:54651) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SKq0p-0006lx-GT for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 07:59:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SKq0l-0001ap-44 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 07:58:59 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-ob0-f169.google.com ([209.85.214.169]:38594) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SKq0k-0001ac-UT for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 07:58:55 -0400 Original-Received: by obbeh20 with SMTP id eh20so7128569obb.0 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 04:58:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-gm-message-state; bh=eHCrECoavSeUwezEcBGoBzQrMAjpxhxd7Ise3Tgij4I=; b=DL8KJd6s8E7m/oYgXNhTitz1OhRhzWRtjCHQOG3qPPjYjcw1ZOeBP/nfAdjQ5P90dF sj7njesM2b0ZjrI1xlUGaBGbmtXs3Mcp4mQLMw6BqDW+sV6UAe5oW5YqVIHnN4bURx2v eThpFqxk6FlCNCSdqKc93bGS5/B6Nq13BfRBtMMpKD3+IYQgSaoEp3eeFHyg8QLEN8PU rEt6fkZh8QwSl2lwVcena8qOce9ymCLirJo9gBVv4WF6EM/AEmlDfkXaiuGwIHRR4sKX 228of3MqlElPEzUxmAfIOF4iGpSCQQxWhEL7LK8CdqUNS2ekMHlHDPi3qflwbEiZwuq4 XKVA== Original-Received: by 10.182.89.36 with SMTP id bl4mr2463249obb.33.1334836732646; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 04:58:52 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.60.22.197 with HTTP; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 04:58:52 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmmfGmZusY9PTanYM/43SlyXCDSJ0S2LYCLzr9ntJy24zfiaPGKzDKNIaAuWXbJPZr83H6W X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 209.85.214.169 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:149812 Archived-At: On 19 April 2012 03:45, Richard Stallman wrote: > Is it likely that Emacs development would excite people who happen > upon it in such a site? =C2=A0Or would most of the funds come from people > told about the project by the FSF? =C2=A0I expect the latter. Neither. Most successful crowdfunding projects get most of their publicity in a viral manner. Most of the funds would come from Emacs users who have no contact with FSF, but read about it on some blog they follow, on Twitter, Facebook, on a mailing lists, etc -- by their someone who has donated and is excited about it. That would be my guess, anyways. The is-it-worth it isn't about most people, though, but about getting +10% extra $donations or not. More than that and it's a good deal. I would also /strongly/ suspect that while FSF itself could probably run a successful crowdfunding campaign to fund it's activities in general, that for a specific software project the more it is about the individual developer(s) wanting to implement Their Thing and the less it is about FSF, the more chance of success it has. Not because some people don't like FSF, but because they want to give money to the people who write the code. Apropos: IndieGoGo is open to non-American fundraisers, unlike Kickstarter, and uses PayPal instead of Amazon as the payment processor. (Maybe there was also a direct bank deposit option, I forget.) There are some other differences as well, but those are the biggest ones. Cheers, =C2=A0-- Nikodemus