From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?UTF-8?Q?Per_Starb=C3=A4ck?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: On language-dependent defaults for character-folding Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2016 23:36:46 +0100 Message-ID: References: <87mvr9wxqz.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87io1xwq1e.fsf@wanadoo.es> <83d1s4bnag.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1455316627 7526 80.91.229.3 (12 Feb 2016 22:37:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2016 22:37:07 +0000 (UTC) Cc: ofv@wanadoo.es, Artur Malabarba , "emacs-devel@gnu.org" To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Feb 12 23:37:06 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aUMKo-0006Ad-6W for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 12 Feb 2016 23:37:06 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36937 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aUMKm-0004JE-Nl for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 12 Feb 2016 17:37:04 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:33448) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aUMKW-0004J6-Eo for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 12 Feb 2016 17:36:49 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aUMKV-0005kR-Ls for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 12 Feb 2016 17:36:48 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-vk0-x22d.google.com ([2607:f8b0:400c:c05::22d]:33907) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aUMKV-0005jz-Ec; Fri, 12 Feb 2016 17:36:47 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-vk0-x22d.google.com with SMTP id e185so71573809vkb.1; Fri, 12 Feb 2016 14:36:47 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=aP1qdxBpSZFbSGMQP3z4z98jlj39oTd7hT2arThF110=; b=mw3OXf+1Ycm5+7c8ByyvjhPXBFHps67gHeh5hs6fheyKTGyvIY+14ObNexcuG7LfLF UODq6BuW/m655VdoUktDd7TCIFVvh0aIuMG4oZZwV57YyfSPgvFOq6d1CRDxc8kEwJ8m oL7XOSxDNtRoN8r5JHxqhJ2g9v4/6tnLSmvEPPFy3I4AaiRBLqLk4sftIwboxWloRekx iaXDAU7htyG0xWjAxfWXd6Jc1oSibFrOV3PozzaGkSY1ZhTrYoAOgaeBngUfOfIjraex y+NLCJMyfmdTuYHECp3KxH4o2pZpQCgXvDCJUej39i1VeGtnSkCOA098UcgDuse0mH3G f8Cg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=aP1qdxBpSZFbSGMQP3z4z98jlj39oTd7hT2arThF110=; b=jcjsAJo6FWmE0amDnE81mE4khBu3iej4I3XHyqco248wTmmfB96B5g2ND/gqm6ZAxO UMG3oKsvH+b4qxTXI3yQZ0qdui4kV6W4u1YEjhK8umSvhLHfo2tID38oPGfu/MapBKTQ a6DNmWRMb06u2bzqZwGVGY/q2Hv+2y1bXc2CrX9QyyO224gw6RP2TdxO4SzK9JrYMxyN o215150fG/Geq9UcRtzuiWmdl4b8If2PMcK+KhK+HOF58jCnZf4K6zi7lCAd+GX/+TX+ rbOu+fDSedlD2WqMXS/zKCfrtZutwH0XfM79p1VLniL2iFBypab6pA/7JJOfe0heI0oG 0jfQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AG10YOQ1cq6F723B1ytO9QsCEebK0tK67onc6I5g2NJjoUup0dfQC7W84b6JMAcpmOJLDtYbFoZkjphATVN50A== X-Received: by 10.31.169.87 with SMTP id s84mr3587257vke.55.1455316606674; Fri, 12 Feb 2016 14:36:46 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.31.15.197 with HTTP; Fri, 12 Feb 2016 14:36:46 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <83d1s4bnag.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400c:c05::22d X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:199840 Archived-At: Eli wrote: > If anything, for now I counted more people who > said they liked it than those who didn't (5 vs 9, by my count). I'm > not saying we should already decide to leave it on, but turning it off > is certainly premature. Less than two weeks have passed since the > pretest began, there's no rush. Collecting feedback is good, but that counting seems pointless to me if you are counting one person mentioning that people in locale X will see that behaviour as buggy, dumb or completely oblivious to their culture as offset by one person saying they like the feature. It's not about liking the feature or not. We have to listen to what the feedback says instead of just counting it.