From: Nikolai Weibull <now@disu.se>
To: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru>
Cc: eggert@cs.ucla.edu, rms@gnu.org,
Emacs Developers <emacs-devel@gnu.org>,
acm@muc.de, "Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen@xemacs.org>,
Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Upcoming loss of usability of Emacs source files and Emacs.
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2015 15:02:56 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CADdV=MvaUa-H40Q3DRrj+MOzHb_tZX5KA4w_ovYkWEFexpfJag@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <558945C2.2010203@yandex.ru>
On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 1:40 PM, Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru> wrote:
> On 06/23/2015 06:16 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
> As Andreas mentioned before, not every native English speaker is accustomed
> to them, and certainly not most of the people for whom English is not a
> native language.
It’s probably not worth noting, but that can’t possible be true. Is
someone who sees ‘‘’ going to wonder what that symbol means, whereas
if they see ‘'’ they’ll go “aha!”? Most languages have quotes in some
form or other and they vary wildly between languages, but I have a
very hard time understanding how anyone, native English reader/writer
or not, could be confused by typesetter’s quotation and not by “ASCII
quotation”. Given that almost all professionally printed literature
uses real quotation marks, I’d assume that those who are learning
English will also be given the benefit of them (where native English
readers will have seen them in books since they were little).
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2015-06-15 14:22 Upcoming loss of usability of Emacs source files and Emacs Alan Mackenzie
2015-06-15 14:46 ` Oleh Krehel
2015-06-15 15:34 ` Tassilo Horn
2015-06-15 20:00 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-15 20:16 ` Nicolas Petton
2015-06-15 21:04 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-16 6:34 ` Tassilo Horn
2015-06-16 12:03 ` Robert Pluim
2015-06-16 12:35 ` Tassilo Horn
2015-06-16 13:10 ` Yuri Khan
2015-06-16 12:58 ` Andy Moreton
2015-06-16 23:53 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-22 13:24 ` Oleh Krehel
2015-06-22 15:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-15 15:14 ` raman
2015-06-15 15:23 ` Drew Adams
2015-06-15 15:30 ` Kaushal
2015-06-15 15:31 ` Kaushal
2015-06-15 16:33 ` Stephan Mueller
2015-06-15 15:38 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-06-15 18:28 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-15 18:42 ` Nicolas Petton
2015-06-15 16:11 ` Ulrich Mueller
2015-06-15 17:18 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-15 17:44 ` Drew Adams
2015-06-15 19:38 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-15 16:43 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-15 17:43 ` Drew Adams
2015-06-16 0:50 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-16 22:18 ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-06-17 6:59 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-16 23:56 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-15 19:38 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-15 20:57 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-16 15:55 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-16 22:43 ` Emanuel Berg
2015-06-17 7:17 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-17 1:54 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-17 6:21 ` Tassilo Horn
2015-06-17 6:36 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-17 8:05 ` Tassilo Horn
2015-06-18 4:07 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-17 13:03 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-06-17 18:55 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-18 4:24 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-06-18 7:15 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-19 2:39 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-06-19 7:41 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-19 11:36 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-19 14:07 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-06-19 16:51 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-19 20:01 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-06-28 19:17 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-28 23:31 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-26 15:05 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-26 19:26 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-06-26 22:49 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-26 23:59 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-27 2:08 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-06-28 1:10 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-28 5:00 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-06-30 10:08 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-30 13:50 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-06-30 14:12 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-30 15:32 ` Andreas Schwab
2015-06-30 15:47 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-30 15:54 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-30 17:54 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-06-30 19:44 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-30 22:15 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-30 17:41 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-06-30 20:14 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-30 14:37 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-30 15:23 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-07-01 13:28 ` Andy Moreton
2015-07-01 16:56 ` Paul Eggert
2015-07-01 18:06 ` Andy Moreton
2015-06-27 12:22 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-27 14:46 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-06-28 9:52 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-28 15:35 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-29 9:13 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-29 14:50 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-29 21:52 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-30 1:51 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-30 16:53 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-28 17:52 ` Tassilo Horn
2015-06-28 19:21 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-28 20:28 ` Tassilo Horn
2015-06-28 20:36 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-28 23:05 ` Drew Adams
2015-06-29 5:59 ` Tassilo Horn
2015-06-29 14:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-29 21:53 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-29 22:08 ` Drew Adams
2015-06-28 19:27 ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-06-28 19:54 ` chad
2015-06-28 21:14 ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-06-28 21:37 ` Tassilo Horn
2015-06-29 21:49 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-18 4:29 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-18 7:19 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-18 12:02 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-19 4:06 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-19 9:02 ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-06-19 15:36 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-23 22:22 ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-06-23 22:47 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-24 17:20 ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-06-25 22:24 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-26 13:57 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-22 1:44 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-22 8:42 ` Elias Mårtenson
2015-06-23 16:01 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-22 13:57 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-22 15:33 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-23 12:38 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-23 17:06 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-23 18:07 ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-06-24 18:24 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-22 15:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-22 18:32 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-22 18:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-23 3:16 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-23 11:40 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-23 13:02 ` Nikolai Weibull [this message]
2015-06-23 13:22 ` Oleh Krehel
2015-06-23 18:22 ` Nikolai Weibull
2015-06-23 19:29 ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-06-23 19:53 ` Nikolai Weibull
2015-06-23 14:03 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-23 18:39 ` Nikolai Weibull
2015-06-23 19:04 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-23 19:12 ` Nikolai Weibull
2015-06-23 22:22 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-23 15:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-23 18:17 ` Nikolai Weibull
2015-06-23 18:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-23 19:05 ` Nikolai Weibull
2015-06-23 19:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-23 19:51 ` Nikolai Weibull
2015-06-23 20:29 ` Marcin Borkowski
2015-06-23 20:42 ` Matthew Carter
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2015-06-23 20:55 ` Marcin Borkowski
2015-06-29 9:13 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-23 13:34 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-06-23 14:31 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-23 22:22 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-23 22:51 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-24 14:55 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-24 15:44 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-25 7:49 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-25 15:45 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-06-25 22:49 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-26 1:15 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-06-26 13:57 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-26 19:22 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-06-27 12:20 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-27 15:36 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-28 9:51 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-26 13:58 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-23 15:36 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-23 15:42 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-24 15:13 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-24 15:49 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-24 18:55 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-24 19:19 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-25 1:28 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-23 12:41 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-23 18:50 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-23 14:56 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-23 19:57 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-24 14:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-17 14:41 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-17 14:58 ` Nicolas Petton
2015-06-17 16:03 ` Drew Adams
2015-06-17 18:30 ` Marcin Borkowski
2015-06-17 18:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-17 19:28 ` Steinar Bang
2015-06-18 4:22 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-06-18 4:52 ` ASCII-folded search [was: Re: Upcoming loss of usability ...] Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-18 5:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-18 7:48 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-18 8:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-18 8:16 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-06-18 8:46 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-18 9:50 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-06-18 10:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-22 20:49 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-06-22 21:02 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-06-22 21:03 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-06-22 22:24 ` Juri Linkov
2015-06-22 23:28 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-06-23 22:49 ` Juri Linkov
2015-06-24 8:03 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-06-24 14:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-24 17:41 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-06-24 18:56 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-06-24 21:44 ` Juri Linkov
2015-06-24 21:57 ` Juri Linkov
2015-06-24 21:59 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-06-24 22:22 ` Juri Linkov
2015-06-25 1:56 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-06-25 17:49 ` Kaushal
2015-06-25 22:27 ` Juri Linkov
2015-06-26 9:32 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-06-26 12:13 ` Kaushal
2015-06-26 15:19 ` Drew Adams
2015-06-26 17:20 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-06-26 18:42 ` Drew Adams
2015-06-26 18:42 ` Drew Adams
2015-06-26 19:08 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-06-26 20:34 ` Drew Adams
2015-06-26 21:56 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-06-26 22:54 ` Drew Adams
2015-06-27 8:07 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-06-27 8:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-26 17:14 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-06-27 22:48 ` Juri Linkov
2015-06-26 15:11 ` Drew Adams
2015-06-23 16:46 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-23 17:20 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-06-23 17:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-23 16:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-23 17:19 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-06-23 17:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-18 5:27 ` Upcoming loss of usability of Emacs source files and Emacs Ulrich Mueller
2015-06-18 5:46 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-18 7:08 ` Ulrich Mueller
2015-06-18 7:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-18 16:44 ` Ulrich Mueller
2015-06-18 17:23 ` Steinar Bang
2015-06-18 17:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-18 18:13 ` Steinar Bang
2015-06-18 18:26 ` Marcin Borkowski
2015-06-18 20:18 ` Steinar Bang
2015-06-18 21:27 ` Steinar Bang
2015-06-18 18:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-18 20:16 ` Steinar Bang
2015-06-19 4:24 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-18 4:49 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-17 16:18 ` Robert Pluim
2015-06-18 12:00 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-18 20:11 ` Robert Pluim
2015-06-18 7:05 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-18 7:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-19 9:03 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-20 6:02 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-20 17:37 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-20 19:43 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-21 14:16 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-21 19:50 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-22 13:55 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-22 15:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-23 12:37 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-23 13:08 ` Nikolai Weibull
2015-06-23 15:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-23 22:21 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-24 2:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-24 14:56 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-24 15:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-24 19:09 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-25 7:49 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-25 14:27 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-24 9:29 ` Oleh Krehel
2015-06-24 14:54 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-23 16:25 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-23 17:53 ` Wolfgang Jenkner
2015-06-23 22:54 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-23 22:21 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-22 22:22 ` Juri Linkov
2015-06-15 16:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-17 7:16 ` Daniel Colascione
2015-06-17 8:15 ` Tassilo Horn
2015-06-17 8:40 ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-06-17 9:02 ` Yuri Khan
2015-06-17 11:20 ` Tassilo Horn
2015-06-17 12:27 ` Artur Malabarba
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2015-06-29 14:57 ` Upcoming loss of usability of Emacs source files and Emacs Drew Adams
2015-06-29 15:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-29 16:14 ` Drew Adams
2015-06-29 16:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-29 21:52 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-30 2:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-30 16:53 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-30 17:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-30 22:20 ` Paul Eggert
2015-07-01 16:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-07-01 19:33 ` Paul Eggert
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