From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Nikolai Weibull Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Upcoming loss of usability of Emacs source files and Emacs. Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2015 20:17:49 +0200 Message-ID: References: <557F3C22.4060909@cs.ucla.edu> <5580D356.4050708@cs.ucla.edu> <87si9qonxb.fsf@gnu.org> <5581C29E.1030101@yandex.ru> <87r3p9fxm2.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87k2v0fiji.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <20150619090225.GA2743@acm.fritz.box> <87fv5kfrfa.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <83twtzhi9g.fsf@gnu.org> <877fqvfvby.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <83fv5jh8ls.fsf@gnu.org> <874mlzf71d.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <558945C2.2010203@yandex.ru> <831th2h1m3.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1435083494 30528 80.91.229.3 (23 Jun 2015 18:18:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2015 18:18:14 +0000 (UTC) Cc: eggert@cs.ucla.edu, rms@gnu.org, Emacs Developers , Brief Busters , acm@muc.de, Stephen Turnbull To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jun 23 20:18:01 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Z7Slk-0005f1-2Y for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 23 Jun 2015 20:18:00 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46902 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z7Slj-0006Hp-8k for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 23 Jun 2015 14:17:59 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:36421) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z7Sle-0006HN-Qn for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Jun 2015 14:17:55 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z7Sld-0002Qh-TX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Jun 2015 14:17:54 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-wi0-x22d.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c05::22d]:33195) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z7Sla-0002Om-GD; Tue, 23 Jun 2015 14:17:50 -0400 Original-Received: by wiwl6 with SMTP id l6so74225477wiw.0; Tue, 23 Jun 2015 11:17:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=89Zpl1igVqgF15aw4fr6onMQyWvxC/KzlKnzjbnBiiw=; b=FH/4tMiY5Z3aFPdPF+ty47ejm7CvFeNuKy7V47THjRUrGXbXOi1GYfrTamxUc/nCxe 2lPS5CW9LX4nISSTiPeVH+7UCwDlOOUSziKDkUi83wiVIj+a7WGnYbw8iS79wAvF27Qp RxnryF4t9zUCdM25xheMvBdWIiLCp2HEsiobHVBLTTPNzrh46pNgCMIOcttqwmm3V05M ZpuVJQDHzUeH+2hNNVnFFYtVu23dA+YC1awuQR4woF7EI36VHFNbY2i1GzdZZ4zDhz5U oTd0waQVYqeonTcY3qFBgWDJjFQSSWE+UZKEnZzsJ+Np2p8hPpHVY/3mICDkfxhkIVgL gwrA== X-Received: by 10.194.171.129 with SMTP id au1mr16167317wjc.115.1435083469753; Tue, 23 Jun 2015 11:17:49 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.194.123.37 with HTTP; Tue, 23 Jun 2015 11:17:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <831th2h1m3.fsf@gnu.org> X-Google-Sender-Auth: mxAmMHVrjr8zSoOuvVuLNIwc8n4 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:400c:c05::22d X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:187436 Archived-At: On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 5:43 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2015 15:02:56 +0200 >> From: Nikolai Weibull >> Cc: "Stephen J. Turnbull" , Eli Zaretskii , acm@muc.de, eggert@cs.ucla.edu, >> rms@gnu.org, Emacs Developers >> >> almost all professionally printed literature uses real quotation >> marks > That's true, but most of them look quite differently from =E2=80=9C..=E2= =80=9D, at > least with most monospaced fonts. So the issue is not as easy or > simple as you seem to imply. Different from what? Do you mean that most mono-spaced fonts don=E2=80=99t have nice-looking quotation marks? Mine (DejaVu Sans Mono) does, but even so, I=E2=80=99m not quite sure what that has to do with anything. Do = you mean that most users of Emacs who read their e-mail in a mono-spaced font may be confused by their font=E2=80=99s poor rendering of real quotati= on marks?