From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Nikolai Weibull Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Upcoming loss of usability of Emacs source files and Emacs. 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X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:400c:c05::22f X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:187446 Archived-At: On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 9:21 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2015 21:05:42 +0200 >> From: Nikolai Weibull >> Cc: Brief Busters , Stephen Turnbull , acm@muc.de, eggert@cs.ucla.edu, >> rms@gnu.org, Emacs Developers >> >> > You want to see curved, compare with >> > Symbola or Lucida Console. >> So if a user happens to use these fonts they=E2=80=99ll be fine? > No. I don=E2=80=99t see why. I thought that the lack of curvature was why the user would be confused in regard to DejaVu Sans Mono, but then they shouldn=E2=80=99t be confused if they use a mono-spaced font with enough curvature. But I=E2=80=99ll drop it, as I feel that this is just getting confrontational for no good reason. >> >> Do you mean that most users of Emacs who read their e-mail in a >> >> mono-spaced font may be confused by their font=E2=80=99s poor renderi= ng of >> >> real quotation marks? >> > >> > No, I mean that seeing these quotes in scientific and professional >> > literature won't help, because they are typeset in a very different >> > typeface there. >> >> So they=E2=80=99re expected to be able to read but not be able to see pa= st the >> minute differences between two symbols (which are their own mirror >> images, so really only one) in two different typefaces? > > They shouldn't be expected to be able to distinguish between > confusingly similar, but subtly different characters. Which is probably why most people don=E2=80=99t.