From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Nikolai Weibull Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Getting Emacs to play nice with Hunspell and apostrophes Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2014 15:36:31 +0200 Message-ID: References: <87ha3s71mt.fsf@debian.uxu> <87tx7rsevi.fsf@debian.uxu> <8738fbscao.fsf@debian.uxu> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1402580213 32302 80.91.229.3 (12 Jun 2014 13:36:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2014 13:36:53 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Emacs Users To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jun 12 15:36:46 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Wv5BO-0003hw-1b for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 12 Jun 2014 15:36:46 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54031 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Wv5BN-0001Ed-MO for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 12 Jun 2014 09:36:45 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:38609) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Wv5BB-0001ET-ML for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Jun 2014 09:36:34 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Wv5BA-0001MX-M2 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Jun 2014 09:36:33 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-qa0-x232.google.com ([2607:f8b0:400d:c00::232]:40556) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Wv5BA-0001MO-HX for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Jun 2014 09:36:32 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-qa0-f50.google.com with SMTP id m5so1604784qaj.23 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2014 06:36:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=/uKOKp5PrqVqHxTskS8Uw5MWL6FQE5T8UpujBKIcSrU=; b=Wrqku+eNhqp/ZBj2rHEK0W2DEHgG41Th/gLr2ngTZR3+yuENr4q1439jqjlaTxSFpu 45EK8Eitn03AbMSwVq8K0kEmIW//2XVIIYYg0kxT4ddfQmePP/vlLIOZRCv1FzAERjSc P33YI9hfY8vIvGPJY9IGnUmaETLPm1SbsDIioc3pjUBlpo57MOQH3gFFsT4v4NMAKyEn qGoN/klqEDFgRMyMi0cHB9M8hcqK0hrF9UVeEn/SxTd/+y2LqAINajInqEsmYFn7yRtM UtXhKzTkxL/D5YpJBEEQKqMrJrgsDsACzbUCrruIARXH9WFu+Ivjr2v+m4OaFXWlUcLX 6yhw== X-Received: by 10.224.72.13 with SMTP id k13mr35670269qaj.54.1402580191416; Thu, 12 Jun 2014 06:36:31 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.140.95.114 with HTTP; Thu, 12 Jun 2014 06:36:31 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-Google-Sender-Auth: 6al6Xx1XmHGOz9AZog_iaNuWuDo X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400d:c00::232 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:98171 Archived-At: On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 2:51 PM, Stefan Monnier wrote: >> The fact that everybody uses " and ' and ` is a historical artifact, a >> workaround of sorts, due to the limitations of the mechanical >> typewriter. We need not be affected by it any more. > > The limitation of "number of keys on a keyboard" along with the > limitations of the human brain mean that it's still very convenient for > users to be able to just use " and ' rather than having umpteen > subvariants and needing to remember which to use where and how to type > them in. Remembering when to use which of four symbols is hardly taxing (and =E2=80= =93 even when considering additional =E2=80=9Cvariants=E2=80=9D such as =E2=80= =98=E2=80=B2=E2=80=99, =E2=80=98=E2=80=B3=E2=80=99 for prime and double prime =E2=80=93 not close to the definition of umpteen, I=E2=80= =99d say), though the =E2=80=9Chow to type them in=E2=80=9D arguments deserves a bit m= ore consideration, such as the automatic replacement that many editors perform. Personally, keyboard bindings such as \C-k ' 9 (from Vim and now Evil) are wired deep into my fingers, so much so that I still haven=E2=80=99t been able to move over to using the more convenient & ' 9 f= rom the rfc1345 input method.