From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Nikolai Weibull Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Upcoming loss of usability of Emacs source files and Emacs. 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X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:400c:c05::22a X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:187437 Archived-At: On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 3:22 PM, Oleh Krehel wrote: > Nikolai Weibull writes: > >> On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 1:40 PM, Dmitry Gutov wrote: >>> On 06/23/2015 06:16 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: >> >>> As Andreas mentioned before, not every native English speaker is accust= omed >>> to them, and certainly not most of the people for whom English is not a >>> native language. >> >> It=E2=80=99s probably not worth noting, but that can=E2=80=99t possible = be true. Is >> someone who sees =E2=80=98=E2=80=98=E2=80=99 going to wonder what that s= ymbol means, whereas >> if they see =E2=80=98'=E2=80=99 they=E2=80=99ll go =E2=80=9Caha!=E2=80= =9D? > > From my perspective (English isn't my mother-tongue), it's totally true. > > Honestly, it's very weird to see "It=E2=80=99s" written by you, when I'm = used to > seeing "It's" in all electronic media (which accounts for 100% of my > English usage). As you yourself point out, this is due to you being a person who=E2=80=99s only used English in a medium that for very long was severely limited in expressive power (ASCII and ISO-8859-5?). It doesn=E2=80=99t mean that it=E2=80=99s true for most people who aren=E2=80=99t native English readers= /writers.