From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Nikolai Weibull Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Upcoming loss of usability of Emacs source files and Emacs. Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2015 21:53:15 +0200 Message-ID: References: <20150619090225.GA2743@acm.fritz.box> <87fv5kfrfa.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <83twtzhi9g.fsf@gnu.org> <877fqvfvby.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <83fv5jh8ls.fsf@gnu.org> <874mlzf71d.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <558945C2.2010203@yandex.ru> <87egl2k19j.fsf@gmail.com> <20150623192945.GB12232@acm.fritz.box> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1435089207 27799 80.91.229.3 (23 Jun 2015 19:53:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2015 19:53:27 +0000 (UTC) Cc: eggert@cs.ucla.edu, rms@gnu.org, Emacs Developers , Oleh Krehel , Dmitry Gutov , "Stephen J. Turnbull" , Eli Zaretskii To: Alan Mackenzie Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jun 23 21:53:26 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Z7UG4-0003qC-9u for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 23 Jun 2015 21:53:24 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47184 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z7UG3-0007EI-Rx for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 23 Jun 2015 15:53:23 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:36808) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z7UG0-0007Dm-3n for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Jun 2015 15:53:21 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z7UFz-0007YU-7j for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Jun 2015 15:53:20 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-wi0-x22a.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c05::22a]:36352) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z7UFw-0007Ws-Cu; Tue, 23 Jun 2015 15:53:16 -0400 Original-Received: by wicnd19 with SMTP id nd19so116080458wic.1; Tue, 23 Jun 2015 12:53:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=yFz2oFQ7TIXXZay0QZLcHwZy3nYJ9l+1OGSx3ctCxao=; b=oijPzGQO8wGNT6X7THCZvxTru2bXAQnrhOQZ00deFcmRPh1x6/o4XsBDU8j+0b0I4Z oWr1JTd1GLfwFfeaE1kQRVNrmAsZrzJWMGEYSaTe4YOwBGOTB1JGx634SN56QYXDXXeQ IkChX+Zi9VJ+zKpknv1Poi4UUwB+4Q9Cu9NVoo34QFrsBZi/eLd438KRYmfYAgK8H7St wV0NXdhLJ3tNlePRI0FDFWKRV9do2cWav3jlvZvTp/NGXGBUbc3JV/3EyHmo2Kj9ivsB 31KPZ3xDRZmdri1p9c0W1Af7C6OLpPoTfbV6quNzK3211nT5DiyiUXln9bnA7DGJWiu8 yyWw== X-Received: by 10.180.109.136 with SMTP id hs8mr6367658wib.73.1435089195653; Tue, 23 Jun 2015 12:53:15 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.194.123.37 with HTTP; Tue, 23 Jun 2015 12:53:15 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20150623192945.GB12232@acm.fritz.box> X-Google-Sender-Auth: M3VJ8PgDbRVlJwDfNWI8XNl9PgQ X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:400c:c05::22a X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:187447 Archived-At: On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 9:29 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote: > Hello, Nikolai. > > On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 08:22:58PM +0200, Nikolai Weibull wrote: >> On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 3:22 PM, Oleh Krehel wrote= : > >> > Honestly, it's very weird to see "It=E2=80=99s" written by you, when I= 'm used to >> > seeing "It's" in all electronic media (which accounts for 100% of my >> > English usage). >> As you yourself point out, this is due to you being a person who=E2=80= =99s >> only used English in a medium that for very long was severely limited >> in expressive power (ASCII and ISO-8859-5?). > ASCII and ISO-8859-1 are not even slightly limited in expressive power. > Anything you can say in English can be expressed efficiently in these > character sets. That was *-5, not *-1. My point was that it=E2=80=99s severely limited in expressing anything outside of what=E2=80=99s required for English, and eve= n then it=E2=80=99s been very restrictive.