From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Nathan Moreau Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Summary and next steps for (package-initialize) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2017 13:13:22 +0200 Message-ID: References: <42c93165-2d85-8501-9cc8-99830b7b3646@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1503573218 11968 195.159.176.226 (24 Aug 2017 11:13:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2017 11:13:38 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Nikolay Kudryavtsev , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Radon Rosborough Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Aug 24 13:13:32 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dkq4q-0002jh-4i for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 24 Aug 2017 13:13:32 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47801 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dkq4v-0003Uj-9B for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 24 Aug 2017 07:13:37 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:39594) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dkq4i-0003RL-O5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 24 Aug 2017 07:13:25 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dkq4h-0005wR-MQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 24 Aug 2017 07:13:24 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-yw0-x236.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4002:c05::236]:36715) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dkq4h-0005wN-I9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 24 Aug 2017 07:13:23 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-yw0-x236.google.com with SMTP id g74so1497474ywb.3 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2017 04:13:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc; bh=lCcCkQkemzEdYWtgxJ+cJWLcRv+tuCAOEM1piFxYikM=; b=RiIkej6tAAzFCsz6bE+m1rfEq2FnlFzOCcY9EWLG5NXsYp2VcJD8TucKg7MwjRNBJx PLpS64NXyzv9HbrgAy7LTgHeDNSnJTPgn66+SXd2aKKXpvjVQAPC71QEDQQcQ3LTlWNx rLtPRGGowOmFyNy6kT2bwpiPp/YaDxUejMVW+lPR/1WBqymlxp//ONQi+rCFvI0ESt0x R4HsQvKS08uoEY7lP7Zur5psU25H0D2+9xNbgwDQtqzcfX17eiRfF8vH7ZuFys9zCe08 MvbSisuv1MnY6l/iOJZk+phW8otfE2M4JOvz/cuFjcpd4S7MLHxcO6dGPR0ZFnmBW1S/ pmoQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=lCcCkQkemzEdYWtgxJ+cJWLcRv+tuCAOEM1piFxYikM=; b=fP75+BnIZOhl0HTncKWkc/Kya/R6V2F6fPPqLuyw+oTg9J1xNK3NOlPYV1jZ4vjBXg AfdaTz1Rnw5lBVxxssSeXV3sYYHWmGZpIvtK6j9Iw7vPG9cbR3P2bzu5+/Xc+4NY07JC ED4U1vvx7UeImCNp/9fjOgvAN5oi0URtw4Kt8Sn6kXVcawwxIkiMl6H42yvROEjpCrpF RmW8TT6d2RXa7ZEbdtVXku7OKUl4HpAPONJHd5CTL+YR9w66jKqfV4XlXBcqnASs17L0 +32YOIkiPhpiQAIcWCvmA9FiRICG+ujReXbnvkiAa1Te8SjXCjXSSozCkWMnsJ+qo0HO X8Qg== X-Gm-Message-State: AHYfb5hxs7mDGjnGlBIzr4kGZyJFM+Tw6N7lNEXjXflHf7y9142yMi+G SWsAWyEUNTbt2S5VTU0eAnWiv9NwlA== X-Received: by 10.129.105.85 with SMTP id e82mr4513154ywc.156.1503573202925; Thu, 24 Aug 2017 04:13:22 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.37.31.195 with HTTP; Thu, 24 Aug 2017 04:13:22 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-Google-Sender-Auth: cxs09dPEeRzp0FjMbl9GNmreHok X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4002:c05::236 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:217756 Archived-At: > Can you explain what you mean by "its code is unloaded"? I mean `unloaded' as `never loaded'. On 24 August 2017 at 02:54, Radon Rosborough wrote: >> - and makes users that don't want package.el happy: they don't need >> to put anything related to it in their configuration code, and the >> its code is unloaded as long as their configuration loads cleanly. > > Can you explain what you mean by "its code is unloaded"? > >> as long as their configuration loads cleanly > > I worry that having any error trigger lots of package.el code, > filesystem calls, and arbitrary third-party Lisp code downloaded from > the Internet will make debugging more... "fun". > > Also, if we don't have a popup, then how would the user end up in the > state where they have `package-initialize' in their init-file? Would > we just keep on running `package-initialize' at the first undefined > function error on every init? That seems... slightly hacky, to say the > least. >