From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Nathan Moreau Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs undo behavior frustrating for new users. Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2018 16:05:01 +0200 Message-ID: References: <0CCFABF4-0F2B-4DAA-9C8E-11E1254A325E@gmail.com> <87woqka4wg.fsf_-_@red-bean.com> <53AEC704-1099-42F4-806C-6C0A903AB954@scratch.space> <8736t4g4v2.fsf@portable.galex-713.eu> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000c0081e05786d2902" X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1539785031 28618 195.159.176.226 (17 Oct 2018 14:03:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2018 14:03:51 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Van L , rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel To: "Garreau, Alexandre" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Oct 17 16:03:46 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gCmQM-0007MY-Gc for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 17 Oct 2018 16:03:46 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36911 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gCmSS-00088p-UK for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 17 Oct 2018 10:05:56 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:45019) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gCmSI-00088c-4w for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Oct 2018 10:05:50 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gCmSH-00044G-6L for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Oct 2018 10:05:46 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-it1-f171.google.com ([209.85.166.171]:36361) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gCmS9-0003iw-PW; Wed, 17 Oct 2018 10:05:39 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-it1-f171.google.com with SMTP id c85-v6so2594451itd.1; Wed, 17 Oct 2018 07:05:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=iD0Ej5QOvouWFccX2zWY1QWgmfvL/EtFle6jyw8NI7w=; b=izVt2WEskelteQ9gqyCK+COr9jIlrga9OcNkd6mJgcQRagckyn2B/B7776nDZkcyul mFZ1b7Eua0CPKv3KqYuTRtaz3ET6vbUk2wG5XM7ybsXnLVwG4PRizOSaBLqfLKEqpI1Y L3sTW5MrySVzeuP1R1jB5vQh3YSxio5WUgEHDQ+dtZRyfuOflNvhxlY7Amq2OzzFWamH R7wDoOV3tXCBEeTyzZ9Nfw0/ChT1bFLAnmQ6mpRVg4jxAEjfkcLVyXZDkdaqubyLZ9Sc ReBx/WnZKHvLRpDZ64SB+eTyKrhSAE7WSQA+8O1O/NX+PJwhNjEwQBbnVFQMqHGsheOc STSw== X-Gm-Message-State: ABuFfoiKefHiVgB30VQ4zU90XDgh7NnZ5FFipFLCwpuZ6+J78NdwSubS WGhRgRtwLMnBnfSIwdWGPxebwHmGZS2AilfXVh9eiw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACcGV62cKVO8jCvd+qSEdBhKKqKR4xnNKey8o9Jp75uQaGh+w/XbGSmWtAetNFYEBmVLVhUQ3qu1ZOAHiDr86hjsrMM= X-Received: by 2002:a24:62cb:: with SMTP id d194-v6mr1805184itc.61.1539785130770; Wed, 17 Oct 2018 07:05:30 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <8736t4g4v2.fsf@portable.galex-713.eu> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 209.85.166.171 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:230445 Archived-At: --000000000000c0081e05786d2902 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I mean C-?, which in qwerty is control-shift-/. On Wed, 17 Oct 2018, 14:00 Garreau, Alexandre, wrote: > On 2018-10-17 at 12:09, Nathan Moreau wrote: > > From my experience with undo-tree, C-S-/ is a good binding. > > It is easy to reach right after hitting undo (C-/). Direct access is a > > little bit hard but you don't tend to press it directly that often. > > Are you really meaning shift when saying S- (or maybe super? which is > usually not accessible to emacs unless you use it as a window manager > through exwm)? Then what is your keyboard layout? > > In qwerty and dvorak: S-/ is ?, so C-S-/ is C-?, which is impossible to > type (it gives ? usually), while corresponding to DEL under a terminal. > > In azerty: / is already accessed with shift. > > In b=C3=A9po: S-/ is 9, so C-S-/ is C-9 and is already bound to > `digit-argument' > --000000000000c0081e05786d2902 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I mean C-?, which in qwerty is control-shift-/.

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On Wed, 17 Oct 2018, 14:00 Garr= eau, Alexandre, <galex-713@gal= ex-713.eu> wrote:
On 2018-= 10-17 at 12:09, Nathan Moreau wrote:
> From my experience with undo-tree, C-S-/ is a good binding.
> It is easy to reach right after hitting undo (C-/). Direct access is a=
> little bit hard but you don't tend to press it directly that often= .

Are you really meaning shift when saying S- (or maybe super? which is
usually not accessible to emacs unless you use it as a window manager
through exwm)? Then what is your keyboard layout?

In qwerty and dvorak: S-/ is ?, so C-S-/ is C-?, which is impossible to
type (it gives ? usually), while corresponding to DEL under a terminal.

In azerty: / is already accessed with shift.

In b=C3=A9po: S-/ is 9, so C-S-/ is C-9 and is already bound to
`digit-argument'
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