From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Radon Rosborough Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Adding advisory notification for non-ELPA package.el downloads Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2017 20:05:02 -0700 Message-ID: References: <1500553768.497130.1046984072.1622AF4D@webmail.messagingengine.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1500865556 15692 195.159.176.226 (24 Jul 2017 03:05:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2017 03:05:56 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Paul Rankin , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jul 24 05:05:49 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dZTgr-0003dR-Bg for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 24 Jul 2017 05:05:49 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52678 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dZTgv-0007tb-8j for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 23 Jul 2017 23:05:53 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:46440) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dZTgp-0007tV-0p for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 23 Jul 2017 23:05:47 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dZTgo-0003Pm-4J for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 23 Jul 2017 23:05:47 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-it0-x22d.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::22d]:35423) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dZTgm-0003Nx-Kg; Sun, 23 Jul 2017 23:05:44 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-it0-x22d.google.com with SMTP id h199so28142779ith.0; Sun, 23 Jul 2017 20:05:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=x1UoWwlXBX8RtkfhmkTvmAKh6unE9YfF11yixz/qNrY=; b=dT251IWEDhc8mNMJClZuUfpfyvTQjqWdF15EyjXc0i8c5x3jrMUgXi1BAkU+6EWyFV weC6+Xcz78a/SB/aVvYvWL/tr01f+aBeoUXuW+UlgduBoMcFgcvvG4flGIrx0yJtLTpB /tvM1Mwer73RW2x44St84oaOn8CLXHvC93Suo3vRnU4Xl/UjssVHBPZEUV8wDsO+LGKN IYHhUPyJn0y2b7Te1gtF+F84wpp5C70emTcVjzzd6A0Py+dSZdDx6SpsYMQnwPN0OQXW EqLz4uJH6Foc3oTgcI8VK7JH5aft5yD4cmD1bkGQ9vRLRqlxfo4i2n/kxH6LKKutx4Fm D/BA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=x1UoWwlXBX8RtkfhmkTvmAKh6unE9YfF11yixz/qNrY=; b=LR9XRNO82z6vS7ObqI4uTOzmcNkW7W8dPML7m+RXdi5epB9c8UiXhe+00ysp2/i/Do JFgQJqTT7qf3MX1FDsRK7JSvNl8wtoj4C/7Fc11ACewqKCITnZdnOvRo+tHA7hdmZIHc +ZJiPpJYwFf8wwgG5n0BLS+lmsZ5oVmRuyaDix92Ry0tF1eq1Z//iUum3wtt9tEwKlkt kELST1ZPf/d2s7xWgVlNBJXHOZaBrG9oJf9ymWHND8voW5vqv8zk6N/fv3E+H5KTzXML kf5iaY36DAHw7VCpAF7mcO5xVHyO1VyDwBUgP+TP2XB3HIXdldmJpBm3nVyLeWPzuJ4T it8w== X-Gm-Message-State: AIVw110OVbLoYtUzZInX+N/aikAPefKFQmqrrsu+4kzsd4ijjiu+SIHC iSp/xcbEt0Ol9CehFqahhwCUApcsrsXmkVQ= X-Received: by 10.36.153.198 with SMTP id a189mr5846018ite.133.1500865543247; Sun, 23 Jul 2017 20:05:43 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.50.189.201 with HTTP; Sun, 23 Jul 2017 20:05:02 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::22d X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:216959 Archived-At: > Delivering freedom to more people takes priority over having more users. Have you considered that by -- in the short run -- being less insistent on having everything be 100% free of the "taint" of non-free software, we might actually be able to mount a better defense against non-free software advocates (by providing better software), and thereby deliver freedom to more people in the long run? But we can agree to disagree on that point. What's more important, IMO, is avoiding alienating the rest of the community (e.g. MELPA, people who develop packages outside of the FSF system), since they are much larger and more powerful than the comparatively small number of people working on GNU ELPA and Emacs core. I think that many people have gotten the impression that "in the GNU Project, delivering freedom to more people takes priority over having a healthy community". I really don't think that's the case, but you don't have to look very far to see people drawing such conclusions, as a result of (for example) some rather heated exchanges on this mailing list. So I'll just reiterate that I think the only effective approach is going to be improving the process of and community around contributing to GNU ELPA and Emacs, and that if we don't do this first, attempts to advertise them will only backfire.