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From: Radon Rosborough <radon.neon@gmail.com>
To: rms@gnu.org
Cc: Paul Rankin <hello@paulwrankin.com>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Adding advisory notification for non-ELPA package.el downloads
Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2017 20:05:02 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CADB4rJGVHmTe3u6ZDtb+9J-kJ04aDZWpz+ZvZoepkhimf9a1CA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1dZTTq-0000t3-5j@fencepost.gnu.org>

> Delivering freedom to more people takes priority over having more users.

Have you considered that by -- in the short run -- being less
insistent on having everything be 100% free of the "taint" of non-free
software, we might actually be able to mount a better defense against
non-free software advocates (by providing better software), and
thereby deliver freedom to more people in the long run?

But we can agree to disagree on that point. What's more important,
IMO, is avoiding alienating the rest of the community (e.g. MELPA,
people who develop packages outside of the FSF system), since they are
much larger and more powerful than the comparatively small number of
people working on GNU ELPA and Emacs core.

I think that many people have gotten the impression that "in the GNU
Project, delivering freedom to more people takes priority over having
a healthy community". I really don't think that's the case, but you
don't have to look very far to see people drawing such conclusions, as
a result of (for example) some rather heated exchanges on this mailing
list.

So I'll just reiterate that I think the only effective approach is
going to be improving the process of and community around contributing
to GNU ELPA and Emacs, and that if we don't do this first, attempts to
advertise them will only backfire.



  reply	other threads:[~2017-07-24  3:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 63+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-07-20 12:29 Adding advisory notification for non-ELPA package.el downloads Paul Rankin
2017-07-20 12:37 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-07-20 13:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-20 13:49   ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2017-07-20 14:17     ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-20 14:48       ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2017-07-20 14:57         ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-24  2:52       ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-20 14:01   ` Paul Rankin
2017-07-20 14:20     ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-20 14:36       ` Paul Rankin
2017-07-20 14:47         ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2017-07-20 15:09           ` Paul Rankin
2017-07-20 15:08         ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-20 15:58           ` Paul Rankin
2017-07-20 17:56             ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-21 11:21               ` Nikolaus Rath
2017-07-20 14:27     ` John Wiegley
2017-07-20 15:19 ` Stephen Berman
2017-07-20 16:19 ` Radon Rosborough
2017-07-24  2:52   ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-24  3:05     ` Radon Rosborough [this message]
2017-07-25  1:32       ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-20 21:20 ` Richard Stallman
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2017-07-08  1:59 John Wiegley
2017-07-08 10:29 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-07-08 12:57   ` Kaushal Modi
2017-07-08 17:03   ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-08 22:12     ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2017-07-08 22:50       ` Tim Cross
2017-07-10  9:29         ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-13 15:07         ` Jean Louis
2017-07-10  9:29       ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-09  0:39     ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-07-10  2:07       ` Chad Brown
2017-07-10  9:27       ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-10 13:02         ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-07-11 11:45           ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-11 15:00             ` Yuri Khan
2017-07-11 18:01               ` John Wiegley
2017-07-11 18:37                 ` Yuri Khan
2017-07-11 22:57               ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-12  7:56                 ` Yuri Khan
2017-07-12 16:12                   ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-11 22:57               ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-12 23:12                 ` Nicolas Petton
2017-07-13 12:26                   ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-13 19:12                     ` Nicolas Petton
2017-07-15  1:33                       ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-17  8:16                         ` Nicolas Petton
2017-07-24  2:54                           ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-10 15:36         ` Ken Manheimer
2017-07-10 23:32           ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-08 14:57 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-07-09  3:04   ` Yann Hodique
2017-07-10  9:29     ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-10 15:41       ` Ken Manheimer
2017-07-10 23:30         ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-10 16:48       ` Yann Hodique
2017-07-10 20:43   ` Joost Kremers
2017-07-11 22:57     ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-12  0:40       ` Stefan Monnier
2017-07-12 16:13         ` Richard Stallman

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