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From: Radon Rosborough <radon.neon@gmail.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Friendly discussion about (package-initialize)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2017 21:39:44 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CADB4rJE6-TqFWq=JZ5jXWcvpamjCOF1BaQ9uUnYFY-gdDuaq8w@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83inhwrqvh.fsf@gnu.org>

> Can someone explain, preferably in concise form, why are we having
> this discussion about in which file to have the call to
> package-initialize

Gladly.

Currently, Emacs has the opinion that you should call
`package-initialize' in your init-file, and it enforces this opinion
by automatically inserting such a call directly into your init-file at
startup, or whenever you initialize the package management system.

I view this behavior as wrong. Other people feel that it is the best
solution to the problem of users putting package configuration in
their init-file, which runs before `package-initialize' is called in
startup.el.

That is why we are having this discussion.

> startup.el already calls that function (as IMO it should)

I disagree, but won't speak further unless you think it will be
relevant to the discussion.

> where did we make the wrong turn with package.el.

When Emacs started modifying the init-file specifically for package.el.

Best,
Radon



  reply	other threads:[~2017-08-10  4:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-08-07  0:37 Friendly discussion about (package-initialize) Radon Rosborough
2017-08-07  1:39 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-08-07  2:16   ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-07  2:44     ` Stefan Monnier
2017-08-07  4:12       ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-09 20:24         ` Stefan Monnier
2017-08-10  3:32           ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-10  4:25             ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-08-10  4:39               ` Radon Rosborough [this message]
2017-08-10  7:24                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-08-10 17:06                   ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-10 19:08                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-08-10 19:31                       ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-10 20:00                       ` Mark Oteiza
2017-08-11  6:14                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-08-11  1:25                     ` Nick Helm
2017-08-11 21:43                       ` Stefan Monnier
2017-08-09 20:35         ` Interoperation between package managers (was: Friendly discussion about (package-initialize)) Stefan Monnier
2017-08-10  3:54           ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-10 21:34             ` Interoperation between package managers Stefan Monnier
2017-08-11  2:14               ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-11 22:05                 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-08-12 17:54                   ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-12 20:53                     ` Jonas Bernoulli
2017-08-13 21:43                       ` Stefan Monnier
2017-08-13 21:25                     ` Stefan Monnier
2017-08-13 22:42                       ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-13 23:32                         ` Stefan Monnier
2017-08-14  0:29                           ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-14  8:02                             ` Stefan Monnier
2017-08-23 19:39             ` Nikolay Kudryavtsev
2017-08-23 20:58               ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-24 12:36                 ` Nikolay Kudryavtsev
2017-08-24 20:11                   ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-25 14:31                     ` Nikolay Kudryavtsev
2017-08-24 15:04               ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-08-24 15:46                 ` Nikolay Kudryavtsev
2017-08-07  3:20   ` Friendly discussion about (package-initialize) Noam Postavsky
2017-08-07  4:14   ` Mark Oteiza
2017-08-08  0:47     ` Stefan Monnier
2017-08-10 20:15       ` Mark Oteiza
2017-08-10 21:29         ` Stefan Monnier
2017-08-11  1:14           ` Mark Oteiza
2017-08-11  8:03             ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-08-07  6:52 ` Colin Baxter

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