From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Steven Degutis Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Does anyone really use emacs in terminal? Date: Sat, 4 May 2013 23:06:36 -0500 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1367726814 5977 80.91.229.3 (5 May 2013 04:06:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 5 May 2013 04:06:54 +0000 (UTC) Cc: "help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org" To: Le Wang Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun May 05 06:06:53 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UYqDs-0001s0-LK for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 05 May 2013 06:06:52 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50400 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UYqDs-0000Br-7X for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 05 May 2013 00:06:52 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:35737) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UYqDg-0000Bm-8a for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 05 May 2013 00:06:42 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UYqDd-0001lU-NF for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 05 May 2013 00:06:40 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-pa0-f44.google.com ([209.85.220.44]:40760) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UYqDd-0001lQ-GX for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 05 May 2013 00:06:37 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-pa0-f44.google.com with SMTP id jh10so1516940pab.31 for ; Sat, 04 May 2013 21:06:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=Bd4Uhgx+73o6nYTfEB8WD7opThhJYZha7S2sbIXAz74=; b=mqgwzjY+XWS+SB1QQDnMnmkj+G7U7ZUI5P0nN3dxYjtfk1i0FCyvPCTl3Xi85SIg/8 LjeoUwhMgI0IgVcfW4EKxACWbz/+Rp5vRMbROR91SZpljKnp+A3zFMHS5gL3LbfCu8+y 000CB0c48Xwdq2EnyvWMUJ7lpJadReVwSScn3IpaVR1G7OJoF9Cg0rBbl/TwtqEmh6YL NPtWc7ycVuLiyWX2hMuMRVUXA4YSmGxSVTatfuFArejo5I77X9AHgkNR79Y9/srkT62l ZqOhm6Y9s2G68PfehaG6Ga93nxgHmG3C4ZLUwBkj+RLonNnOen7RY4IKZoZC/r7ndInG PbsA== X-Received: by 10.68.216.165 with SMTP id or5mr20347722pbc.152.1367726796875; Sat, 04 May 2013 21:06:36 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.70.58.231 with HTTP; Sat, 4 May 2013 21:06:36 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 209.85.220.44 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:90487 Archived-At: I'm so tired of how Emacs so desperately clings onto the 80s and 90s. So many of its defaults are idiotic, so many legacy features it tries to support are just terrible and useless. I often wish there was a modern emacs clone that dropped all these legacy features. Who ever uses a toolbar? Why don't the scrollbars work like normal? Why is the undo feature so ridiculous, instead of something more sane like undo-tree? Why isn't ido-mode enabled by default, and why doesn't it work on more completable prompts without a third party plugin? On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 10:58 PM, Le Wang wrote: > The cool kids do it. > > You can find many screencasts of people doing everything in terminal and > proselytising the simplicity and lack of distractions of such a work flow. > They don't mention the lack of features, and the pitfalls. > > As a result a lot of the newbie questions on stackoverflow and here are "Why > dozn't M-return work with me Emacs?" and "How comez when I can't cut'n'paste > from Emacs?". > > This is frustratingly detrimental to Emacs adoption because the new user's > initial experience with Emacs is "fixing" it. > > > On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Steven Degutis wrote: >> >> What's the use-case for having the terminal be able to act as an editor? >> >> For me it's rather the other way around, I use the terminal within my >> editor (eshell). >> >> Seems like there's no real point in supporting terminal-mode in a text >> editor these days. >> >> -Steven >> > > > > -- > Le