From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Steven Degutis Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Does anyone really use emacs in terminal? Date: Sun, 5 May 2013 00:43:37 -0500 Message-ID: References: <877gjevvdc.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1367732636 15049 80.91.229.3 (5 May 2013 05:43:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 5 May 2013 05:43:56 +0000 (UTC) Cc: "help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org" To: "Pascal J. Bourguignon" Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun May 05 07:43:57 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UYrjn-0004eR-7f for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 05 May 2013 07:43:55 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49565 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UYrjm-0004O8-Pu for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 05 May 2013 01:43:54 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:47651) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UYrjZ-0004Ns-JS for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 05 May 2013 01:43:43 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UYrjW-0000to-LO for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 05 May 2013 01:43:41 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-pd0-f175.google.com ([209.85.192.175]:54790) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UYrjW-0000ti-F0 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 05 May 2013 01:43:38 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-pd0-f175.google.com with SMTP id y14so1509383pdi.6 for ; Sat, 04 May 2013 22:43:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=Wq2WJ1pf9R5efBUACksxZYcx4kny92GmLxvXrrY8c2Q=; b=u3IJwv1WHF9PpTCtQnqygEXVxWSfElPBjhtiOLGMbC/j4jx1aE4th3r/DHmQAYozz3 0LGuKLEgtJry9xDsq6p1FCQ5vgE5euuzjkiNipZX3G8V5senUVS6fJSleftZidfm2dC/ K2p8Ug/N3KUrzM7P0zAgfO40zw8oPdo/x45KBWwm13CAvbd6+aAf99X7nMxx8q236efK PajyXYUgV162F3ebB/2F5jda7+FtZnq4edf6TDHo+3aps5LrW1ERtWooEGH3d/svaFNB 3znkWX3K9hzTtOtw43tmpzUY7zYixJePvE/O55jpMPhfgKgx5F0e6b/jWImlUGdWcD3S 4HYw== X-Received: by 10.66.197.228 with SMTP id ix4mr21308324pac.91.1367732617697; Sat, 04 May 2013 22:43:37 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.70.58.231 with HTTP; Sat, 4 May 2013 22:43:37 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <877gjevvdc.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 209.85.192.175 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:90507 Archived-At: Yes, any clone is a fork, but only the Privileged Few can understand emacs' source code enough to do anything decent with it. You can't seriously be suggesting that undo within a text editor is not a useful feature? I agree, ido-mode is unbearable in its default state. But with ido-vertical-mode it's pretty great: https://github.com/rson/ido-vertical-mode.el On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 12:38 AM, Pascal J. Bourguignon wrote: > Steven Degutis writes: > >> I'm so tired of how Emacs so desperately clings onto the 80s and 90s. >> >> So many of its defaults are idiotic, so many legacy features it tries >> to support are just terrible and useless. >> >> I often wish there was a modern emacs clone that dropped all these >> legacy features. > > > git clone git://git.savannah.gnu.org/emacs.git > > any git clone is a fork! > > >> Who ever uses a toolbar? > > I never do. > > >> Why don't the scrollbars work like normal? > > I never use them. > > >> Why is the undo feature so ridiculous, instead of something more sane >> like undo-tree? > > There's git for that. Seriously, who needs more than two undoes? > > >> Why isn't ido-mode enabled by default, and why doesn't it work on more >> completable prompts without a third party plugin? > > ido-mode is unbearable, I don't use it. > > > -- > __Pascal Bourguignon__ http://www.informatimago.com/ > A bad day in () is better than a good day in {}. > >