From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Steven Degutis Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Does anyone really use emacs in terminal? Date: Sat, 4 May 2013 23:33:05 -0500 Message-ID: References: <20130505043007.GB5537@hysteria.proulx.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1367728403 17398 80.91.229.3 (5 May 2013 04:33:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 5 May 2013 04:33:23 +0000 (UTC) To: "help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org" Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun May 05 06:33:23 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UYqdX-0008Kp-Bi for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 05 May 2013 06:33:23 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55934 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UYqdX-00050j-09 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 05 May 2013 00:33:23 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:38531) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UYqdJ-0004wY-EK for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 05 May 2013 00:33:12 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UYqdG-00088z-RM for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 05 May 2013 00:33:09 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-da0-x232.google.com ([2607:f8b0:400e:c00::232]:51299) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UYqdG-00088n-JS for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 05 May 2013 00:33:06 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-da0-f50.google.com with SMTP id i23so1362865dad.37 for ; Sat, 04 May 2013 21:33:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=ZJiDJ2hMXYT03Cu5vR0plVpvzZE6aAQRlgnHM4m2gB8=; b=S0aKlmdPw9NkBIaa6N70DhkhjyPx8JG4jQCFpshAaqOEB3nZ2ld62zN9Zm11vCZr0A sb61jK1uASff+dqik/L3izNyR5nrDjrA0X3vUs3O53qkDrS7phHkOHm9NF6YBMZWg8uC C3ji0IUu48gfWdU8NdrVMA33LDcpSrEEUw2xkLpjRg6TxBzia+NtOvbKloIRIw4qh40o GjodcQv4F35X9ZnPJzdyruvfqXD6PUDX/qXHZXVwVxOKhoZCx3tWQIXpg4RSEEMs8d3D XKbdPl8LCqjRh79FsZRMhK2/aSYH+vJ8RzA69wQxCa5ETvlSsgQx/q/1j8wB6a6Zzwuk 98pA== X-Received: by 10.68.99.226 with SMTP id et2mr20304852pbb.91.1367728385708; Sat, 04 May 2013 21:33:05 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.70.58.231 with HTTP; Sat, 4 May 2013 21:33:05 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20130505043007.GB5537@hysteria.proulx.com> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400e:c00::232 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:90493 Archived-At: I've wanted to write a text editor, but I don't know how to do syntax highlighting. Also, your response reminds me so much of the Workflow xkcd comic. http://xkcd.com/1172/ On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 11:30 PM, Bob Proulx wrote: > Steven Degutis wrote: >> I'm so tired of how Emacs so desperately clings onto the 80s and 90s. > > I am so tired of how people take current working tools and modify them > to be something completely different that breaks it for everyone who > was using it. GNOME 3 is a good recent example but there are others > before it. > > If you want to take emacs, or any other tool, and fork it off and go > into a different direction that is great! I fully support you doing > that. Emacs has been forked many times already. That is one of the > awesome things about free(dom) software. It gives you the ability to > modify and customize it. If you think emacs is backwards then write > it your way reversed. Call it "scame" because it wouldn't be emacs. > > But don't break the existing emacs users to build that new tool. Just > build that new tool. Don't make your gain a loss for others. > > "I love you. You are perfect. Now change." I *hate* that! > >> So many of its defaults are idiotic, so many legacy features it tries >> to support are just terrible and useless. > > Then fork it and do your own thing! But please don't break it for me. > >> I often wish there was a modern emacs clone that dropped all these >> legacy features. > > Do it! The source is there for you. Or start clean with an empty > directory. There are no limits. > > Bob >