From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Carsten Mattner Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: C-g crash in C-x C-f (OSX Lion) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 18:47:03 +0100 Message-ID: References: <4EEB48B2.9090602@swipnet.se> <83liqc1tac.fsf@gnu.org> <83fwgk1atk.fsf@gnu.org> <4EEBE0DC.1050803@cs.ucla.edu> <4EEF5DF5.3030506@swipnet.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1324316843 8777 80.91.229.12 (19 Dec 2011 17:47:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 17:47:23 +0000 (UTC) Cc: "Jan D." , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Rene@kyllingstad.com Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Dec 19 18:47:17 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RchIw-0001Q3-Rp for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 19 Dec 2011 18:47:15 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:35437 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RchIw-0006rG-EC for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 19 Dec 2011 12:47:14 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:59605) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RchIt-0006r0-1x for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 19 Dec 2011 12:47:11 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RchIn-0004sO-9L for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 19 Dec 2011 12:47:11 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-iy0-f169.google.com ([209.85.210.169]:50814) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RchIn-0004sK-4X for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 19 Dec 2011 12:47:05 -0500 Original-Received: by iacb35 with SMTP id b35so8347967iac.0 for ; Mon, 19 Dec 2011 09:47:04 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=fsC9Seh2VbpLwpYVtBwxUSTq7WeuzzVwm0NxWggWf7A=; b=N04dA+guk8D5X+xVq75OdCxhPVEi5KgLzmm1+NesEW2B/c36O2OaVkqRM84osYFugR 6Ns3Ga7yugidS292TWObzrKurJNEcBLvaropY3vIlB8TCWy4yFrBnra1ki5JfFV99h+R G/NPLJorFe6dsjRAv/9rFKMstbmntst/Z8Xss= Original-Received: by 10.50.45.231 with SMTP id q7mr5758593igm.29.1324316823990; Mon, 19 Dec 2011 09:47:03 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.50.6.165 with HTTP; Mon, 19 Dec 2011 09:47:03 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Received-From: 209.85.210.169 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:146835 Archived-At: 2011/12/19 Ren=E9 Kyllingstad : > On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 17:52, Carsten Mattner > wrote: >> >> On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 4:53 PM, Jan D. wrote: >> > AFAIK, the Mac port uses Carbon, and is based om Emacs 23, i.e. no Ema= cs >> > 24 >> > features (like multitty). >> >> Sounds like the Mac port should be obsolete and deprecated as >> Carbon is deprecated and I'm not even sure it's in Lion anymore. > > > This is alas a common misunderstanding about the Mac port. > > http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2007-11/msg00424.html > http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2007-11/msg00499.html Hmm, what about M-x ns-popup-font-panel and friends? It's not like this cannot be made to work. --with-ns priority should be OSX and Gnustep as 2nd tier I believe so that OSX has a good graphical frontend. > The Mac port hasn't been integrated because none of the maintainers are > particularly interested nor=A0knowledgeable=A0about the mac platform, and= the > author of the port has not pushed for it. > > So instead of a rock solid port where the author knows _exactly_ why ever= y > line of code is the way it is, we have a crashy mess nobody wants to spen= d > any time on. Yay. Not sure. No matter how you look at it, Carbon is deprecated and a bad choice for inclusion. --with-ns seems to use Cocoa and is therefore the better choice down the road from what I can gather. Having said that, if I was able to make all key bindings work in the termin= al, I would most probably ignore graphical frontends and use -nw only. I use bitmap fonts because they look clean and sharp, but that may be matter of personal preference. Any remedy so that I can ditch gui frontends and therefore save even more memory as a side effect?