From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Carsten Mattner Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Mac OS-compatible ports (was: C-g crash in C-x C-f (OSX Lion)) Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 11:50:39 +0100 Message-ID: References: <9E637EAB-A0C5-421B-9CCA-71C41442AF52@gmail.com> <87ipl7zaea.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87sjkbib14.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87d3baui4b.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87mxacqlg4.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87fwg3pfy4.fsf@lifelogs.com> <8739c2dscy.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87ehvkdgfr.fsf_-_@lifelogs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1325415050 20992 80.91.229.12 (1 Jan 2012 10:50:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 10:50:50 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jan 01 11:50:47 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RhJ00-0006EV-UQ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 01 Jan 2012 11:50:45 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46420 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RhJ00-0005QV-Ak for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 01 Jan 2012 05:50:44 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:49708) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RhIzx-0005QN-99 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 01 Jan 2012 05:50:42 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RhIzw-0002yz-99 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 01 Jan 2012 05:50:41 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-iy0-f169.google.com ([209.85.210.169]:46840) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RhIzw-0002yu-15 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 01 Jan 2012 05:50:40 -0500 Original-Received: by iacb35 with SMTP id b35so30393624iac.0 for ; Sun, 01 Jan 2012 02:50:39 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=/G9iwHhl6eTikSZRo31GF1fEFC43iyjTejAro0OfRIM=; b=GweXNmYr4EnV1iGXLeiMDboQSnhIwGcCWWHkahuWC5D5WF0wkd6ND4FJXQYKK4T/Ir FzfqOIThjK3bJZgtipKogdzxJYCF6fXqFvrzALo8d0JCl0pAbWjkG2GaVkprXUuskWe9 /9G98uqLLwtNwbEJesxdFlUa4T8l3yE5RjBVc= Original-Received: by 10.50.195.129 with SMTP id ie1mr52815707igc.29.1325415039523; Sun, 01 Jan 2012 02:50:39 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.50.106.132 with HTTP; Sun, 1 Jan 2012 02:50:39 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Received-From: 209.85.210.169 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:147117 Archived-At: On Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 2:47 AM, YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu wrote: > > On 2011/12/31, at 22:22, Ted Zlatanov wrote: > >> I agree with your statement, but we're not "pushing" the NS port only >> because it's for GNUstep. =A0It's quite usable on Mac OS X. =A0I said th= at >> "in its defense" it is compatible with GNUstep by using the Cocoa API, >> which your port isn't. =A0So, to make the current situation clear, the >> Mac OS port choice is between: >> >> 1) NS port: Cocoa API, works on Mac OS X with some issues, compatible >> with GNUstep and can work there (it needs lots of work though). =A0Apple >> has repeatedly stated Cocoa is the preferred API for Mac OS X >> developers, especially for new software. >> >> 2) your Carbon-based port: works on Mac OS X well, can't be compatible >> with GNUstep. =A0Apple has not been clear about Carbon's future, even >> though Carbon seems to be well entrenched at this point. > > As I've been repeatedly saying, the Mac port uses Cocoa for its > GUI implementation. =A0If you call the Mac port Carbon-based, lots > of the applications including those bundled with Mac OS X such as > Safari.app should also be called Carbon-based. > > (snip) > >> Given those choices, the NS port seems like the best choice for >> inclusion in GNU Emacs, which is the status quo. =A0Are any of the facts >> I've presented inaccurate? > > I'm not saying about the inclusion. =A0I'm just correcting negative > statements with respect to the Mac port, many of which are made > with wrong understanding about the actual situation of Mac OS X > development, or even not based on the actual use. > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Y= AMAMOTO Mitsuharu > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0mituharu@m= ath.s.chiba-u.ac.jp Can we please update the emacs wiki with a table for reference comparing the different OS X ports?