From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Shane Mulligan Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.tangents Subject: Re: Help building Pen.el (GPT for emacs) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2021 12:28:36 +1200 Message-ID: References: <83lf642jeh.fsf@gnu.org> <83r1fp1es9.fsf@gnu.org> <83o8at1c63.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000039fee605c7fbd617" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="20737"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Eli Zaretskii , Stefan Kangas , emacs-tangents@gnu.org, Jean Louis To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-tangents-bounces+get-emacs-tangents=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Jul 26 02:29:12 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: get-emacs-tangents@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1m7oUY-0005Et-W1 for get-emacs-tangents@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 26 Jul 2021 02:29:11 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59080 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m7oUY-0007Q0-25 for get-emacs-tangents@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 25 Jul 2021 20:29:10 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:43720) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m7oUG-0007Pc-DN for emacs-tangents@gnu.org; Sun, 25 Jul 2021 20:28:52 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-yb1-xb2c.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::b2c]:33523) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m7oUE-0005R5-HZ; Sun, 25 Jul 2021 20:28:52 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-yb1-xb2c.google.com with SMTP id x192so12223399ybe.0; Sun, 25 Jul 2021 17:28:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=eWKZ8s4Y4nBOQY1/gzXCIJvKUmrVozIzjDnX5jLn0HE=; b=TgjpxgOnpFUIyFT93RU9RX8qMX3Cjd2EYdj01uvlPtmv5yi5dxKAQZRmQpnllRYh00 LStMgSup9DtqrjSh9ISrvimrhEekaDWt8WVbFGLLIHAss0vnSXerEYmRcaYX0Dd/LjIw +J+WfLMjnENxO8MG0gLtIL8MP/uYLYAuW6DmdvfZwd3PiSWXjUcAOiWH8ayUcdhTAX4B 36PjqUQU4oSFXabTtLLZixl3frMemAOwWRUFs2MpPWFG8emg3Vlg00MNkMIWSD6AT2U/ eqyO5Wd1dgKVMNPJt8RcjAr5waXiBJDNC7BNmz/qbIdyDLzl9MrOHs9JDNj0Eaxu1Wab QoAw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=eWKZ8s4Y4nBOQY1/gzXCIJvKUmrVozIzjDnX5jLn0HE=; b=Wqvx6ItFnxbM4kDkXXcKSyNLDLl6Xl4DVT8D6zH7zuJdrZL/1HEaVU+NWPeO5u8Vsn XWiAhfr9rot3JgBfOVvxTNiEnbUR9KnJkgWGfyi8dIP5o2h/67ve3Qf/BwH2GZfgwYi5 y7FQ6TGfRbTp2bnDCdGiTVpoxgChNGw80EzOIwpzJLbiF+6Q7/BTW/xXvjxb4VOgEoIQ yuORpXKt6ai4A8btcIxQPeYeyG5kVQza0J45iwkFxKaOJgtna8iIXDL+LN/hYDm50i/J nrIK7hId2sGK8ts3480C+svQcqFTaBtahzccRabvSYPa11mrY87uEIXmw5pVHYMmUkDL ZPfw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533sn+jJe92nS664R4FVzadUUPlDcmFt/lytGRZhnBbf3ditFuM6 77TohmpF+OTt9yKhjvknLbA+Spn0NfHcLBYviOKjbYk/I9o/ X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzcNF5sFw55+B5Gts6qLc9PrF29zgvLZbc2F7lZ7xiPBmucTOVPbas88RODt6UOpnLIDtB7l5ky6r9LlzWzQO4= X-Received: by 2002:a25:abf3:: with SMTP id v106mr21301746ybi.299.1627259328396; Sun, 25 Jul 2021 17:28:48 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::b2c; envelope-from=mullikine@gmail.com; helo=mail-yb1-xb2c.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-tangents@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-tangents-bounces+get-emacs-tangents=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-tangents" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.tangents:703 Archived-At: --00000000000039fee605c7fbd617 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey Richard and all. I have just participated in the Augment Minds unconference and have a recorded demo of Pen.el I will also be presenting the demo to Nat Friedman. I have made some references to the new codex model and how it has stolen the inspiration from Free software. The point I'm making is this: Pen.el and software which combines GPT into the operating system is the future and I'm alerting GNU to this first but I'm also showing GitHub. This is for the following reasons - The Copilot/codex model is a disgrace - We need an free repository of prompts and prompt functions for emacs I hope the demo which I will send in the next day or two (or whenever it becomes available) will be informative. It will be easier than the asciicast. Thank you. Shane Mulligan How to contact me: =F0=9F=87=A6=F0=9F=87=BA 00 61 421 641 250 =F0=9F=87=B3=F0=9F=87=BF 00 64 21 1462 759 <+64-21-1462-759> mullikine@gmail.com On Mon, Jul 26, 2021 at 12:16 PM Richard Stallman wrote: > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > > GPT turns emacs into something very powerful > > beyond your current comprehension. It's so > > profound that it will replace many of the > > online and offline services you may have come > > to take for granted. It goes way beyond that too. > > Unfortunately, telling me that something is "powerful beyond [my] > current comprehension" does not help me start to comprehend any of it. > > Would you like to name some of the services that GPT would replace? > I might learn something concrete from that. > > > Here is the recording of me doing that: > > > https://asciinema.org/a/SCUhm3l11N3w5eilUfewBDCiP > > I looked at that page, but I have no idea what it means. The page > shows three boxes side by side. Each seems to contain some code, or > maybe parameter specs, in a language I don't know. I clicked on the > first box and it brought me to a similar page with three other boxes. > > It tasks about "asciicasts" but I don't know what that means. > If it is something to be viewed, how can I do so? > > > > -- > Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) > Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) > Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) > Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) > > > --00000000000039fee605c7fbd617 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey Richard and all.

I have just partic= ipated in the Augment Minds unconference and have a recorded demo of Pen.el=

I will also be presenting the demo to Nat Friedma= n. I have made some references to the new codex model and how it has stolen= the inspiration from Free software.

The point I&#= 39;m making is this: Pen.el and software which combines GPT into the operat= ing=C2=A0system is the future
and I'm alerting GNU to this fi= rst but I'm also showing GitHub. This is for the following reasons

- The Copilot/codex model is a disgrace
- We= need an free repository of prompts and prompt functions for emacs

I hope the demo which I will send in the next day or two (= or whenever it becomes available) will be informative. It will be easier th= an the asciicast.

Thank you.

Shane Mulligan

=
How to contact me:
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=F0=9F=87=A6=F0=9F=87=BA00 61 421 641 250
=F0=9F= =87=B3=F0=9F=87=BF00 6= 4 21 1462 759
mullikine@gmail.com



On Mon, Jul 26, 2021 at= 12:16 PM Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> wrote:
[[= [ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider=C2=A0 =C2=A0 = ]]]
[[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies,=C2=A0 =C2=A0= =C2=A0]]]
[[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]]<= br>
=C2=A0 > GPT turns emacs into something very powerful
=C2=A0 > beyond your current comprehension. It's so
=C2=A0 > profound that it will replace many of the
=C2=A0 > online and offline services you may have come
=C2=A0 > to take for granted. It goes way beyond that too.

Unfortunately, telling me that something is "powerful beyond [my]
current comprehension" does not help me start to comprehend any of it.=

Would you like to name some of the services that GPT would replace?
I might learn something concrete from that.

=C2=A0 > Here is the recording of me doing that:

=C2=A0 > https://asciinema.org/a/SCUhm3l11N3w5ei= lUfewBDCiP

I looked at that page, but I have no idea what it means.=C2=A0 The page
shows three boxes side by side.=C2=A0 Each seems to contain some code, or maybe parameter specs, in a language I don't know.=C2=A0 I clicked on t= he
first box and it brought me to a similar page with three other boxes.

It tasks about "asciicasts" but I don't know what that means.=
If it is something to be viewed, how can I do so?



--
Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org)
Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org)
Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org)
Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)


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