From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Tim Cross Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCE] Emacs 25.3 released Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2017 08:32:49 +1000 Message-ID: References: <87wp55t0un.fsf@petton.fr> <87r2vctasb.fsf@petton.fr> <87mv60t6sk.fsf@petton.fr> <87efrbu5hi.fsf@petton.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="94eb2c13f0a0499dff0559a68e6c" X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1505946912 12338 195.159.176.226 (20 Sep 2017 22:35:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2017 22:35:12 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Andreas Schwab , Eli Zaretskii , Rostislav Svoboda , Emacs Devel To: Nicolas Petton Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Sep 21 00:35:08 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dunaE-0002w0-Bj for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2017 00:35:06 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50971 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dunaL-0005Gs-I3 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 20 Sep 2017 18:35:13 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:34256) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dunY6-0004Tj-W4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 20 Sep 2017 18:32:56 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dunY5-0007ib-QP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 20 Sep 2017 18:32:55 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-io0-x22e.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4001:c06::22e]:48725) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dunY4-0007WE-1P; Wed, 20 Sep 2017 18:32:52 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-io0-x22e.google.com with SMTP id n69so7022595ioi.5; Wed, 20 Sep 2017 15:32:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=ANEYS1/DKsZ5zxYvAafC4zihErZJsFBSWrAIGmFreVI=; b=B6d29V5uUZNtJkzgRy1LpsAwNLpYLWMEKahbAa0reywR0LGOSk34Gf8e7e3xuOnPBh EH1UeUbTL1qk727kxHSot+yYBEkpVbgheadM6TK5cyBc/S4sJ5+f3iwyUPqOB9ED23Yc f0IGwYDTBb5WXauznxUb6B+3z03XK5zj8LuwinVa332+ePxJ5mW5Lirb/5G00TyRPE1n i7+pa54NDkklJ8CzCnbOfDeBkBjf4ctMciNvUqQ8UraDhRxQRgb0SMmfdQxGSGkoe9I4 o1TExOAym1rEYl68ANBp6aUY9EXRSSQzPLAY7tus9fWbGvmDxJI2DYdiLaoOqoU+0uhR cHqw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=ANEYS1/DKsZ5zxYvAafC4zihErZJsFBSWrAIGmFreVI=; b=e+wRhFoOe/P4vgRP0lqPRxdWjL6yKpXaEWzu8iv7TlnimimXT8idlfPq7zu8+fsfhd 6sRfgXwNX+3Njbv5iwNcfFix52S7aN7oSal5Cd/yNU938fUVAKeCoz5UVgfAF8e+PMvC txzHrpiYxxsSVmdPv2GIsH3qyXZ+aOTyyGXQT9e4+j/pt3+kvPkCMdrKeoCKu+3I9QXb w5UcDlgNXdKod3Gt+yMuqKK5bmPGc5mBUK3n6hqsNjhM62I2EsDJ14r7HOqUGliqDh3H SzUA+rK4lYR+wX8ONpp7EyhQHs+f/WDYj98Z1St7n0/qtdrtJZqF+WI3dqJT5LzxNNga pokA== X-Gm-Message-State: AHPjjUjAns0cIVMNIr6eSey3iyWkdjTO1boiwsl/dffsIjm8kJ1LzrQM AYZgwnoUTxc8Sm1hze6GUf1hK7uvC8ssVZ19hfI= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AOwi7QBCc9BES4kZiCTzvjpCdYOpNLpPn8HLPpS3g8InWJCQTG1PaB+cCwj6cxKgd01M5xvzDdADvithRQcSR+b9Zlg= X-Received: by 10.202.7.198 with SMTP id 189mr304107oih.18.1505946770184; Wed, 20 Sep 2017 15:32:50 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.168.71.141 with HTTP; Wed, 20 Sep 2017 15:32:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87efrbu5hi.fsf@petton.fr> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4001:c06::22e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:218612 Archived-At: --94eb2c13f0a0499dff0559a68e6c Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi Nicolas, it is very easy to be a critic and technology has just made it easy to spread those criticisms with no real cost - just type and hit send. As far as I can see, you and Eli thought about how to do this release, considered the implications and did what you believed was most appropriate given priorities and resources. I certainly acknowledge and appreciate your efforts. Ignore the negative noise, most of it is lacking in facts, built on assumptions and fails to recognise hindsight is always 20/20. Thee has been no adverse consequences and I feel you and Eli have shown the action was responsible and well reasoned. Points have been raised and acknowledged, time to move on and recognise that most of the fine work done to maintain Emacs is done by volunteers who need to make time to do these contributions in a modern world where most of us have too much to do with too little time to do it. thanks for your efforts. Tim On 13 September 2017 at 04:38, Nicolas Petton wrote: > Rostislav Svoboda writes: > > > The thing is guys in my daily-job I do this kind of "release and pray" > > source code management on a daily basis. > > You know - cobol, mainframes, finance industry, dinosaurs... > > I had to produce the tarball as quickly as I could, which meant > yesterday evening after work. We agreed with Eli not to bother with the > website or the Git branch, as it was much less urgent than releasing the > security fix. However, I do have the changes on my local Git repo, so > there's no need to worry (I'll push them right after sending this email). > > To be honest, I'm a bit frustrated with all the negative attitude > regarding this release. > > Nico > -- regards, Tim -- Tim Cross --94eb2c13f0a0499dff0559a68e6c Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Nicolas,

it is very easy to be a cri= tic and technology has just made it easy to spread those criticisms with no= real cost - just type and hit send. As far as I can see, you and Eli thoug= ht about how to do this release, considered the implications and did what y= ou believed was most appropriate given priorities and resources. I certainl= y acknowledge and appreciate your efforts. Ignore the negative noise, most = of it is lacking in facts, built on assumptions and fails to recognise hind= sight is always 20/20. Thee has been no adverse consequences and I feel you= and Eli have shown the action was responsible and well reasoned. Points ha= ve been raised and acknowledged, time to move on and recognise that most of= the fine work done to maintain Emacs is done by volunteers who need to mak= e time to do these contributions in a modern world where most of us have to= o much to do with too little time to do it.

thanks= for your efforts.=C2=A0

Tim
=C2=A0=C2= =A0

On= 13 September 2017 at 04:38, Nicolas Petton <nicolas@petton.fr> wrote:
Rostislav S= voboda <rostislav.svoboda= @gmail.com> writes:

> The thing is guys in my daily-job I do this kind of "release and = pray"
> source code management on a daily basis.
> You know - cobol, mainframes, finance industry, dinosaurs...

I had to produce the tarball as quickly as I could, which meant
yesterday evening after work.=C2=A0 We agreed with Eli not to bother with t= he
website or the Git branch, as it was much less urgent than releasing the security fix.=C2=A0 However, I do have the changes on my local Git repo, so=
there's no need to worry (I'll push them right after sending this e= mail).

To be honest, I'm a bit frustrated with all the negative attitude
regarding this release.

Nico



--
regards,

Tim

--
T= im Cross

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