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From: Tim Cross <theophilusx@gmail.com>
To: David Reitter <david.reitter@gmail.com>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>, Alan Third <alan@idiocy.org>,
	aaronjensen@gmail.com, Emacs developers <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: macOS support (was: bug#30800: 26.0.91; unknown crash on macos)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2018 08:24:43 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAC=50j_9XgSW48t+hv0Hzai7E=BDZb1fe4BoEJi5n70PKwPpUA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <D8F1BECB-4584-4BEC-9AE9-4D66C999294C@gmail.com>

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I don't think we are doing users any favours by providing long backwards
compatibility for OS versions, especially if that comes at the cost of code
clarity, maintainability and feature stability. There have been some
significant security patches applied to later versions of OSX. I'm not
suiggesting we immediately drop support for earlier versions, but 10.6 was
released in 2009 - a 9 to 10 year backwards compatibility is probably
excessive - 5 years would probably be a better target.



On 26 March 2018 at 07:08, David Reitter <david.reitter@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mar 24, 2018, at 2:35 AM, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> wrote:
>
> > Are there any numbers about how widespread each version is on end-user
> > machines?
>
> Better, I can show you the number of unique (and somewhat frequent)
> Aquamacs Emacs users throughout 2017, below.
> (Some of them will have upgraded throughout the year, so they would be
> counted multiple times.)
>
> In these data, we’re seeing that out of all users, only 2.15% are still on
> Mac OS X 10.6.  (Full distribution shown below.)
>
> If we do the same for November and December 2017 only.  Now we’re down to
> 1.21% and 1.24% 10.6 users, respectively.
>
> Looking at queries (which run every third day, as long as Emacs is in
> use):  Out of the Dec 2017 queries (838) from machine that still run 10.6,
> only 6% (54) bothered to upgrade to the latest version, which was released
> in mid-2016.  Clearly, users of very old operating systems also don’t care
> to upgrade their Emacs.
>
> Now, there are some old Macs that can only run 10.6.  However, clearly,
> few users will update applications but not never the OS.
>
> I hope these data can support your decision where to direct scarce
> volunteer resources.
>
>
>
> [aquamacs /home/protected]$ ./macos-users v2017
> unique users with more than 10 startups:
> OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard:
>     1074
> OS X 10.7 Lion:
>      776
> OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion:
>      726
> OS X 10.9 Mavericks:
>     2631
> OS X 10.10 Yosemite:
>     5418
> OS X 10.11 El Capitan:
>    11526
> macOS 10.12 Sierra:
>    20594
> macOS 10.13 High Sierra:
>     7116
> —
> Total 49861
>



-- 
regards,

Tim

--
Tim Cross

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  reply	other threads:[~2018-03-25 21:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-03-13 16:18 bug#30800: 26.0.91; unknown crash on macos Aaron Jensen
2018-03-13 16:36 ` Aaron Jensen
2018-03-20 23:39   ` Aaron Jensen
2018-03-21  6:37     ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-21 16:25       ` Aaron Jensen
2018-03-21 17:00         ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-21 17:09           ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-21 17:31             ` Aaron Jensen
2018-03-21 18:22               ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-21 18:31                 ` Aaron Jensen
2018-03-21 18:48                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-21 19:19                     ` Alan Third
2018-03-21 19:36                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-21 20:12                         ` Alan Third
2018-03-22  5:40                           ` Aaron Jensen
2018-03-22  7:26                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-22 15:39                               ` Aaron Jensen
2018-03-22 15:57                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-23  1:49                                   ` Aaron Jensen
2018-03-23  8:16                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-23 19:52                                   ` Alan Third
2018-03-23 20:57                                     ` Aaron Jensen
2018-03-23 21:47                                       ` macOS support (was: bug#30800: 26.0.91; unknown crash on macos) Alan Third
2018-03-24  6:35                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-24  7:18                                           ` Aaron Jensen
2018-03-24 10:27                                             ` Alan Third
2018-03-24 14:52                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-25 20:08                                           ` David Reitter
2018-03-25 21:24                                             ` Tim Cross [this message]
2018-03-25 22:31                                               ` macOS support Stefan Monnier
2018-03-26  1:34                                                 ` Paul Eggert
2018-03-26  2:14                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2018-03-26  5:41                                                     ` Tim Cross
2018-03-26  5:49                                                       ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2018-03-26 23:07                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2018-03-24  7:20                                     ` bug#30800: 26.0.91; unknown crash on macos Aaron Jensen
2018-03-24 10:29                                       ` Alan Third
2018-03-24 14:54                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-24 16:18                                           ` Alan Third
2018-03-24 17:48                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-25 19:17                                               ` Alan Third
2018-03-24 10:49                                     ` Charles A. Roelli
2018-03-24 14:12                                       ` Alan Third
2018-03-25 20:14                                         ` Charles A. Roelli
2018-03-26 18:37                                           ` Alan Third
2018-03-26 23:03                                             ` Aaron Jensen
2018-03-30 11:37                                               ` Alan Third
2018-03-30 11:57                                                 ` Aaron Jensen
2018-03-22  5:35                         ` Aaron Jensen
2018-03-22  7:16                           ` Eli Zaretskii

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