From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Tim Cross Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: more on starttls, gnutls-cli and using tls for mail Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 12:13:20 +1000 Message-ID: References: <20039.8838.116211.694328@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <8762m0n5qi.fsf@red-bean.com> <87ipq0k0q0.fsf@red-bean.com> <87fwl4nqu8.fsf@gmail.com> <87hb5hvf53.fsf@hi-media-techno.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1313547210 6651 80.91.229.12 (17 Aug 2011 02:13:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 02:13:30 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Vijay Lakshminarayanan , Karl Fogel , Leo , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Dimitri Fontaine Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Aug 17 04:13:25 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QtVdF-0008Qm-Kx for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 04:13:25 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38061 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QtVdF-0003GI-2V for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 22:13:25 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:45676) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QtVdC-0003Ba-7u for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 22:13:23 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QtVdB-0006HL-56 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 22:13:22 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-iy0-f175.google.com ([209.85.210.175]:55810) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QtVdB-0006HG-0i for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 22:13:21 -0400 Original-Received: by iyn15 with SMTP id 15so767808iyn.6 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 19:13:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=rC5DjmYvsYhg/g0ICsfqSqmxa7LK7Bc5Hwb0Wx8UCOY=; b=hLFwKjoFZZehXqm5JYQEwn/m8i2I3Gg2oPsEbGkKvsvS8UBpJBoCCIRXZFCDa0f8E/ T5Rv6ufdMkxIVrbyRT/zq/pmZ2mktkpU33imAzSBmvr6ombqOeCTP0CaqoyFnqXiiWNp wMg/hamm7y0EhXgWuwGOHyRVqAOHZ296LK6Pg= Original-Received: by 10.43.46.65 with SMTP id un1mr327973icb.20.1313547200301; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 19:13:20 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.231.43.137 with HTTP; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 19:13:20 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87hb5hvf53.fsf@hi-media-techno.com> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Received-From: 209.85.210.175 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:143346 Archived-At: On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 8:12 PM, Dimitri Fontaine wrote: > Leo writes: >>> =A0 http://tapoueh.org/blog/2010/09/23-postfix-sender_dependent_relayho= st_maps.html >> >> Thanks for that. There are other alternatives such as using msmtp. But >> they are a nuisance because they require installing and configuring >> another tool for something that Emacs is capable of doing. > > The problem with msmtp is both that it hangs emacs while sending the > email, and that on delivery error you have to handle it yourself. =A0The > reason why I so much prefer postfix here is that it will queue the > outgoing mail then deliver it in the background, and it will manage the > delivery queue and retry if necessary. > same issue with smtpmail as well. > See also my mailq mode that allows me to quickly see if I have to force > a send retry and to flush my postfix queue all from Emacs. > > =A0http://tapoueh.org/blog/2011/05/05-mailq-modeline-display.html > =A0http://tapoueh.org/emacs/mailq.html > >> The point is there is one key feature that has been accidentally deleted >> during the rewrite of smtpmail. This thread is about whether and how >> should we bring it back. > > That's a whole other problem here, agreed. > Agree.