From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Tim Cross Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: `send-mail-function' default change Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 13:26:55 +1000 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1310182078 15565 80.91.229.12 (9 Jul 2011 03:27:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 03:27:58 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen , rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jul 09 05:27:52 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QfOCu-00005i-Bf for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 09 Jul 2011 05:27:52 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49528 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QfOCt-00045U-Ai for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 08 Jul 2011 23:27:51 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:57170) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QfOC2-00044w-DC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jul 2011 23:27:39 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QfOC1-0002ZN-JF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jul 2011 23:26:58 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-iy0-f169.google.com ([209.85.210.169]:62387) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QfOC0-0002ZA-By; Fri, 08 Jul 2011 23:26:56 -0400 Original-Received: by iyl8 with SMTP id 8so2739396iyl.0 for ; Fri, 08 Jul 2011 20:26:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=JrvAeXEtv1grf9sT3Ef2SmbSQ6sw95YFyOUk0DM+E0g=; b=otqd2T3xklk3CwU2EH38WMyvZnbAEorQdxAZBInRjl4oxgTeVXAur7VuRLSq0AxFfB EIcy7IT4pnzoORnoY/u+Xsyh0M4J39xeu/UGPIw3vd9nQCVtunrDOZUW8JUJuT4WD8Va 4Mbw0jT8egjbJFMUz/eRQ437kbHykMlrVKfRM= Original-Received: by 10.231.67.145 with SMTP id r17mr2294700ibi.176.1310182015524; Fri, 08 Jul 2011 20:26:55 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.231.15.3 with HTTP; Fri, 8 Jul 2011 20:26:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Received-From: 209.85.210.169 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:141839 Archived-At: On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 7:24 AM, Stefan Monnier w= rote: >> But I have a suspicion that most people would like to get an error >> message as early as possible. > > That's part of the choice between smtpmail and sendmail. > So it's not related to the change of defaults, except that it makes this > choice more explicit. > > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Stefan > > Huh? Its exactly what this was about (ignoring the subsequent addition of the prompting/helper function). The default has been sendmail and the original suggestion was to change it to smtpmail. To some extent, the debate has moved on to the issue of making the choice more explicit via the config helper function, but the original instigator was the proposal to change to a default of smtpmail. The new proposed default will require that everyone now make an explicit choice where previously, only those wanting smtpmail had to make that explicit choice. For some, this did mean things did not work, either because of a misconfigured or missing MTA or because of external restrictions, such as laptops on a foreign network or ISP firewalls etc. However, for others, such as those on win32 or those on GNU Linux desktops with a working MTA, there was no need to make an explicit choice or even have the knowledge to understand what this choice meant and how to make the correct one. Tim