From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Tim Cross Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Does service lookup by name work on Windows now? 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X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4864:20::344 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:232712 Archived-At: --000000000000afe47105806997f8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" The only problem with continuing to support any OS which is no longer maintained is that, in many cases, we are implicitly supporting users on platforms with significant and well known exploits. This is especially true with Windows XP, which has numerous, well documented and easy to exploit vulnerabilities. While I would agree that the decision to use a vulnerable OS is up to the individual user, in practice, many users don't understand the risks and consequences. To make it worse, exploited systems can also be a threat (or inconvenience) to other users (for example, by being the source of botnets or DDoS attacks). There is an argument that it would be more responsible to not support any OS once it is no longer maintained and receiving patches for security vulnerabilities to discourage continued use of vulnerable systems and encourage users to update to a current and more secure OS (which of course could be GNU Linux!). This may also make maintenance of Emacs easier as it would reduce the need for exceptions and work arounds for older systems which don';t support more modern OS practices. Tim On Sun, 27 Jan 2019 at 09:48, Richard Stallman wrote: > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > Each version of Windows was more repressive than the previous one. > If we are going to support Windows at all, we may as well support > the old versions that are still widely used. > > -- > Dr Richard Stallman > President, Free Software Foundation (https://gnu.org, https://fsf.org) > Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) > > > > -- regards, Tim -- Tim Cross --000000000000afe47105806997f8 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The only problem with continuing to support any OS which i= s no longer maintained is that, in many cases, we are implicitly supporting= users on platforms with significant and well known exploits. This is espec= ially true with Windows XP, which has numerous, well documented and easy to= exploit vulnerabilities.=C2=A0

While I would agree that= the decision to use a vulnerable OS is up to the individual user, in pract= ice, many users don't understand the risks and consequences. To make it= worse, exploited systems can also be a threat (or inconvenience) to other = users (for example, by being the source of botnets or DDoS attacks).=C2=A0<= /div>

There is an argument that it would be more respons= ible to not support any OS once it is no longer maintained and receiving pa= tches for security vulnerabilities to discourage continued use of vulnerabl= e systems and encourage users to update to a current and more secure OS (wh= ich of course could be GNU Linux!).=C2=A0 This may also make maintenance of= Emacs easier as it would reduce the need for exceptions and work arounds f= or older systems which don';t support more modern OS practices.=C2=A0

Tim

On Sun, 27 Jan 2019 at 09:48, Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> wrote:
[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my emai= l: please consider=C2=A0 =C2=A0 ]]]
[[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies,=C2=A0 =C2=A0= =C2=A0]]]
[[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]]<= br>
Each version of Windows was more repressive than the previous one.
If we are going to support Windows at all, we may as well support
the old versions that are still widely used.

--
Dr Richard Stallman
President, Free Software Foundation (https://gnu.org, https://fsf.org)
Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)





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regards,

Tim

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Tim Cross

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