From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Tim Cross Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: My perspective as a mid-level user on pros/cons of different editors Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 06:18:10 +1000 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000000106dd05a61a194e" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="12085"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Rudi C , "emacs-devel@gnu.org" To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed May 20 22:18:55 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jbVB1-00034O-I0 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 20 May 2020 22:18:55 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:32918 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jbVB0-0002RF-LJ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 20 May 2020 16:18:54 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:42274) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jbVAW-00020o-Cj for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 20 May 2020 16:18:24 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-oi1-x22d.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::22d]:43034) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jbVAV-00029k-H7 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 20 May 2020 16:18:24 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-oi1-x22d.google.com with SMTP id i22so4108331oik.10 for ; Wed, 20 May 2020 13:18:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=q2H9/umZQ90Vn851+xD+JzMpsd/FrH8IBrjHCS22mtg=; b=fXwBrD2OP9JP9RAPvQlUA1v4NU6cavm2axd7xQVrTWUi1tG1KrqCaQ6xFHlwRpu0dK Dkpd3dSUM2Z4VTaYPJjJBOrcQwWGueIN/EHVXvn581GCqPojyuhXf2VL+15ARkLd/0T7 Pp8B7LgmHkerlD0SfPfht2rJTnSrIRx9uBii/M/7DCKbjq+r5jWz0n6UdI/iCcSYxi3s V3K4lOxl5UOIW996T7Mu8OcTDI3CUVnfh4yZ1rXMM6jSjGxJpcYL1fNi41LQ2fXqdJT7 udXceh+IbzkqbFZ6oFF9rZSdBNJmba05z2ucMCdSYM7DC393j17znzDrZr/fv5/BbVC9 CrYg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=q2H9/umZQ90Vn851+xD+JzMpsd/FrH8IBrjHCS22mtg=; b=dMog1hnSpXJVMap6OrkM8fbN9yJhwz7f9PSVE1zS1xCHhYKVrU5DVTpdr3wKdeOjt6 Jvf9qA2q7Cfyf6PCsJbLy0sCTcrlseaau/IMgmDrHdXHhoTTZCa39opYDcxvmWYYYi3E UiB4L5ExS1cFxKI31M+nr+RTWYpbJSuWLA7KaQEF2VhDbkZ94cK21w9jV08CAhmw8Jak kENGevqDx5GapjuJ7DT9P0P0org4k4dfQnYdJzzHN5o3GdV9NgQ+eskucdlngF9Riur4 StH/ze+D81MRtsO8ph2JopUc02oH3PhtWN13Xv1tfj6zWEEt45PKcPE3USWFCKzYzNCt Ie1w== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530RHHFV+yisnmPLG1Pyzn3h+Hr7ffVpMxtWSAYfKutHBTC/nBvH rWblfIGAPvuvGG9CwwsUqGOPDuUCMZ/ii+DFGZY= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwKUJ+On+aKvAjLoc1vFKthK4rQJTjVB65yxnYm4EQH0u1zsRvtG36LU8Ibn5iYZqcnwVa0IXfx3I7+zQLOCCw= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6808:a1b:: with SMTP id n27mr4234364oij.171.1590005902410; Wed, 20 May 2020 13:18:22 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::22d; envelope-from=theophilusx@gmail.com; helo=mail-oi1-x22d.google.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: No matching host in p0f cache. That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:251110 Archived-At: --0000000000000106dd05a61a194e Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" +1. I think it would be very valuable for those involved in developing and maintaining GNU Emacs to regularly try the various 'popular' distributions and to try out other popular alternatives, like VSCode. Some of the current popular Emacs distributions have some really good stuff and some good ideas, some of which should probably be added into Emacs core or provide guidelines on enhancements/improvements that would make it possible to extend some of these ideas even further. I know that my own personal Emacs config has benefited greatly from doing this - I've based a lot of my setup on ideas I found in some of these distributions and found out about some useful functionality I was not even aware of. In a similar way, using other editors has also given me ideas for my Emacs setup which has helped as well as some ideas for how I've dealt with some issues in my packages/libs. On Wed, 20 May 2020 at 22:26, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > ## Spacemacs > [...] > > ## Doom Emacs > > Your comments remind me, that I think we (the "vanilla/core Emacs > community") should try and get more involved in this "Emacs > distribution" business. > > > Stefan > > > -- regards, Tim -- Tim Cross --0000000000000106dd05a61a194e Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
+1. I think it would be very valuable for those invol= ved in developing and maintaining GNU Emacs to regularly try the various &#= 39;popular' distributions and to try out other popular alternatives, li= ke VSCode.

Some of the current popular Emacs = distributions have some really good stuff and some good ideas, some of whic= h should probably be added into Emacs core or provide guidelines on enhance= ments/improvements that would make it possible to extend some of these idea= s even further. I know that my own personal Emacs config has benefited grea= tly from doing this - I've based a lot of my setup on ideas I found in = some of these distributions and found out about some useful functionality I= was not even aware of.

In a similar way, usi= ng other editors has also given me ideas for my Emacs setup which has helpe= d as well as some ideas for how I've dealt with some issues in my packa= ges/libs.



On Wed, 20 May 2020 at 22= :26, Stefan Monnier <monnier= @iro.umontreal.ca> wrote:
> ## Spacemacs
[...]
> ## Doom Emacs

Your comments remind me, that I think we (the "vanilla/core Emacs
community") should try and get more involved in this "Emacs
distribution" business.


=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Stefan




--
regards,

Tim=

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Tim Cross

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