From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Tim Cross Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Changing the default for `send-mail-function' Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 11:50:10 +1000 Message-ID: References: <87vcvmtc7z.fsf@mid.gehheimdienst.de> <87liwgg3vv.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87y60elo83.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <4E131B9C.4020806@swipnet.se> <87liwc1k08.fsf@gmail.com> <34F70A20-5300-4F2C-A271-C928F67F27EF@mit.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1310176236 25498 80.91.229.12 (9 Jul 2011 01:50:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 01:50:36 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jul 09 03:50:33 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QfMgi-0000y1-FL for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 09 Jul 2011 03:50:32 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37166 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QfMgh-0001KG-Jd for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 08 Jul 2011 21:50:31 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:36223) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QfMgS-0001KA-EQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jul 2011 21:50:19 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QfMgO-0002mK-EJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jul 2011 21:50:16 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-iy0-f169.google.com ([209.85.210.169]:35027) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QfMgO-0002mE-9h for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jul 2011 21:50:12 -0400 Original-Received: by iyl8 with SMTP id 8so2698826iyl.0 for ; Fri, 08 Jul 2011 18:50:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=5DMX6c3WgZHIeRd4xbhILy9bpJqdaGiId1ySxaNu5uc=; b=Fm03zMogEYQovkf1/rK2xLsfs96m6I3S6HOREfuBONFtzbipYoBeZoh4pk7lkLNB1e +xafolZVppAxGgR1bc2PFAcHbTC7SB85G2YKNCIyIiqyNz+8G2sb39xe39HqqD60Tn3b bIuuH0hEXGTi907DF/EmHlyoYvvFPjNMNBpj8= Original-Received: by 10.231.253.25 with SMTP id my25mr2327216ibb.126.1310176210871; Fri, 08 Jul 2011 18:50:10 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.231.15.3 with HTTP; Fri, 8 Jul 2011 18:50:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Received-From: 209.85.210.169 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:141831 Archived-At: On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 1:17 AM, Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen wr= ote: > Tim Cross writes: > >> We know the change will not affect windows users as I believe the >> default for that platform is not changing. It probably won't affect >> OSX users either. > > No, the default changed for all architectures. > > -- > (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) > =A0bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/ > Oh, OK. I thought it was going to be configured on Windows systems to use the user's default mail client. This was the previous default for win32 wasn't it? If so, I don't see why it should be changed for that platform. Those who want to use emacs for mail can change the default to smtpmail and for those who do not, emacs will use the native configured mail client the user is use to (i.e. when sending a bug report or some other mail related action). While I can understand the argument to change the default on systems wherre it had previously been the local MTA because of misconfigured MTAs and the need to support a mobile computing paradigm, I find it much harder to see why the default needs to be changed on wind32, where the default mail client is far less likely to be misconfigured and more likely to be configured to support a mobile environment if required. Changing the default also forces users who don't use emacs as their mail client to now configure it as a client for infrequently used actions, such as submitting a bug report and use a client interface they may not be as comfortable with compared to the previous experience of having the text of the bug report placed within the mail client you were familiar with and being able to use mail related functionality without requiring additional effort to configure. If the only reason to change this default on this platform is to be consistent with other platforms, I think that is a mistake. There are lots of people who do not use emacs as their mail client. I suspect this number has increased as the number of users have increased that use imap/pop to manage their mail. When I've asked users why they don't use emacs as their mail client, the frequent response is because they don't like the 'freezes' that occur when emacs is checking large remote pop/imap servers etc. Tim