From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Tim Cross Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: gnu-emacs-help news->mail gateway Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 08:39:43 +1100 Message-ID: References: <82pqi3vbjf.fsf@gmail.com> <83ipnvxxfz.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1318369203 19362 80.91.229.12 (11 Oct 2011 21:40:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 21:40:03 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Sivaram Neelakantan , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Oct 11 23:39:53 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RDk3E-0004fZ-SN for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 23:39:52 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60101 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RDk3E-0002is-DH for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 17:39:52 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:43351) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RDk3B-0002hx-GK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 17:39:50 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RDk3A-0002ka-8S for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 17:39:49 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-iy0-f169.google.com ([209.85.210.169]:51140) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RDk37-0002js-VF; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 17:39:46 -0400 Original-Received: by iaen33 with SMTP id n33so51838iae.0 for ; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 14:39:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=C08F1YdFF4uYCq1ayEjYf7kPdwUfcBo6cD1/kr5W1Xo=; b=vXL75tIjd/n6g3nJuyIqsYP29V5bLThmPt2N990h1SCA3Kl7anuiq1h6mTiQQr2dd1 GwyBfiurMLyDJXZ9xdFEXAqLd6dKqHfVBGQ8XtimrN+yuROY5EcjORsdERXiOcqcMu4I GlMSlI7zKTsghHVOtIBMAtTDSTMKmxiY3Dqk4= Original-Received: by 10.231.20.147 with SMTP id f19mr7943547ibb.13.1318369184119; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 14:39:44 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.231.12.67 with HTTP; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 14:39:43 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <83ipnvxxfz.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Received-From: 209.85.210.169 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:144917 Archived-At: On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 4:14 AM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> From: Sivaram Neelakantan >> Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 20:08:12 +0530 >> >> I'd second that part about receiving spam directly. =A0My stats mailing >> list email id receives boatloads of spam.... > > GNU mailing lists have zero spam for a long time now. > > Still misses the point. With mail lists, you MUST provide a legitimate email address. It is irrelevant whether the lists you subscribes to gets spam or whether its spam filter is good enough to filter spam out. You don't know for certain if people subscribed to that mail list are not getting spam directly to their inbox i.e. not via the mail list, but directly to the address they used in subscribing to the list. This is the big difference between mail list based collaboration and newgroups or web forums. With the latter, you don't need to provide a mail address. On the whole, the GNU mail lists are very well administered and do not suffer the configuration issues of many other mail lists where address harvesting is made very easy. On the other hand, GNU servers do appear to be targets and have been compromised in the past, so we cannot guarantee the email addresses that were provided have not been harvested and added to a spam list somewhere. As I stated originally, I do see this change as being largely inevitable, but it is just not true that mail lists are an equivalent alternative. Some features are lost. The extent to which an individual may care about that will vary. Tim --=20 Tim Cross