From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Michael Dan Mossinsohn Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#14856: A slight mistake in the emacs TUTORIAL, IMHO Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 20:59:33 +0300 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bf0f004514c0304e1544853 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1373652071 19941 80.91.229.3 (12 Jul 2013 18:01:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 18:01:11 +0000 (UTC) To: 14856@debbugs.gnu.org Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jul 12 20:01:14 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Uxheb-00018z-Vs for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 12 Jul 2013 20:01:14 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:39030 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Uxheb-0002vl-M8 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 12 Jul 2013 14:01:13 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:41071) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UxheV-0002vB-0U for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 12 Jul 2013 14:01:10 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UxheQ-0007jw-HL for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 12 Jul 2013 14:01:06 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:56762) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UxheQ-0007jm-Dj for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 12 Jul 2013 14:01:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UxheQ-0001ML-2M for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 12 Jul 2013 14:01:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Michael Dan Mossinsohn Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 18:01:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 14856 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs Original-Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.13736520345157 (code B ref -1); Fri, 12 Jul 2013 18:01:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Jul 2013 18:00:34 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51078 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Uxhdx-0001L1-3g for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 12 Jul 2013 14:00:34 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:39198) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Uxhds-0001Ki-Lm for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 12 Jul 2013 14:00:29 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Uxhdk-0007IX-Nf for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 12 Jul 2013 14:00:23 -0400 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:38294) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Uxhdk-0007IT-KP for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 12 Jul 2013 14:00:20 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:40908) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Uxhdh-0002kN-86 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 12 Jul 2013 14:00:20 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Uxhde-0007Hd-Ii for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 12 Jul 2013 14:00:17 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-ve0-x243.google.com ([2607:f8b0:400c:c01::243]:44730) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Uxhde-0007HV-Du for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 12 Jul 2013 14:00:14 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-ve0-f195.google.com with SMTP id ox1so1692506veb.10 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 2013 11:00:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=BBJUOAVnda8RLXVEoxN774UzyPTLmGyXSIBXiOrMeOM=; b=gKG9mQOw+umlRe1zjwUcf9mPOeA++X8jkIpDUZFCfdWNOnk91gj6Kl/BLv0drLurcp 0LXHYGjmBf+gUXPQx4W++5QnAjeeaiTuO0Zbd/dqwN7vXQcQmua2WU4JczTQDKdgpHty MvmPzSgUgNo3meYtQ9um3Ad3XcEpLNPJH6+w2ph1XOPN6Csu3YbsCz52M3RCROlz6G0h 7q6xv8STxe0B562bPU4PBaJFlSRsWUtlh2Ks008KBRE40r39AH7nOagi6TNFttSGK5ie bK5ets2L3kTe1SxJ+AYgJP+FfRcHk0hZaWINP6ssV5wZnayzaj8vRCTZ1Aei7XqETofl LmXQ== X-Received: by 10.59.0.131 with SMTP id ay3mr24597271ved.78.1373652013626; Fri, 12 Jul 2013 11:00:13 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.58.170.3 with HTTP; Fri, 12 Jul 2013 10:59:33 -0700 (PDT) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:76294 Archived-At: --047d7bf0f004514c0304e1544853 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It seems to me that this sentence, from the emacs tutorial (the 'help-with-tutorial' command), contains a slight mistake: "On most terminals, the "<" is above the comma, so you must use the shift key to type it. On these terminals you must use the shift key to type M-< also; without the shift key, you would be typing M-comma." =E2=80=8BThis sentence was probably not meant to include a repetition =E2=80=8Bof the explanation that pressing the shift key is needed for typi= ng '<', but rather that pressing the shift key is needed also while typing '>'. =E2=80=8BThank you for your time and for supporting this GREAT project.=E2= =80=8B =E2=80=8B *Michael * *=E1=B6=98 =E1=B5=92=E1=B4=A5=E1=B5=92=E1=B6=85 =E1=83=9A(=E0=B2=A0=E1=B4= =A5=E0=B2=A0)* [image: Charity: Water] Donate| Share on Facebook | Share on Twitter Add this to your emails Create your free signature: CLICK HERE! =E2=80=8B --047d7bf0f004514c0304e1544853 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
It seems to me that this sentence, from th= e emacs tutorial (the 'help-with-tutorial' command), contains a sli= ght mistake:
"On most term= inals, the "<" is above the comma, so you must use the=C2=A0shift key to type it. = =C2=A0On these terminals you must use the shift key=C2=A0to type M-< also; without the shift key, you wou= ld be typing M-comma.&= quot;

=E2=80=8BThis sentence was probably= not meant to include a repetition
=C2=A0=E2=80=8Bof the explanation that pressing the shift key is needed for= typing '<', but rather that pressing the shift key is needed=C2= =A0also=C2=A0while typing '>'.

=E2=80=8BThank you for your time and for supporting this GRE= AT project.=E2=80=8B
=E2=80=8B

Michael

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