From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: James Freer Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: editor and word processor history (was: Re: RTF for emacs) Date: Fri, 30 May 2014 20:12:01 +0100 Message-ID: References: <87ha4d64r2.fsf@robertthorpeconsulting.com> <87bnuho13m.fsf@debian.uxu> <874n09nz3c.fsf_-_@debian.uxu> <87d2ewmbtf.fsf@debian.uxu> <87bnuf1rjj.fsf@debian.uxu> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1401477160 1480 80.91.229.3 (30 May 2014 19:12:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 30 May 2014 19:12:40 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Emanuel Berg Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri May 30 21:12:32 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WqSE7-0000RF-MX for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 30 May 2014 21:12:27 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56139 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WqSE6-0003QU-Pm for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 30 May 2014 15:12:26 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:38378) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WqSDo-00037J-9x for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 30 May 2014 15:12:09 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WqSDj-0007OZ-6C for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 30 May 2014 15:12:08 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-ie0-x22d.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4001:c03::22d]:43369) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WqSDi-0007OD-Qt for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 30 May 2014 15:12:03 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-ie0-f173.google.com with SMTP id lx4so2176583iec.32 for ; Fri, 30 May 2014 12:12:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=jUxZZ6oprBYL8avk+fng7ipzP8uSeBlXj/0Et1YOQfg=; b=1A/m0JqEdUCl/9HdSCktXEBhS6UXGQwmpEsTmJ9f6u/KnSNIClb42vY7emM/g4Cimj wpIYXQa6obcJM8MsupGX9S1uFm9qf+r2U6nFjJu/wje7L+pmsnPP95f6PEEOqI1r9Arn ujmNns99V3T06NSyOG1IT82sESaekvlkYP+PXJSE0O9QfX5OMQaF9zs4e1gAdXKYJoxY mxg4ik5S58RwiIAZn53AGgA/+qfsJNTsWYJ87hOvczcHAdaVOe/Ayuf/dM9RRthmPzl+ ZONrAq2fntSAlmZlJSqFj6LXSoIV6hBVX19ljnFCFt1/sHGqKRU2xYqGKa2sFx+qilqk thOg== X-Received: by 10.50.79.170 with SMTP id k10mr8082885igx.26.1401477121884; Fri, 30 May 2014 12:12:01 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.50.128.75 with HTTP; Fri, 30 May 2014 12:12:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87bnuf1rjj.fsf@debian.uxu> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4001:c03::22d X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:97969 Archived-At: On 30/05/2014, Emanuel Berg wrote: > James Freer writes: > >> Ws keybindings were the most efficient requiring less >> movement across the keyboard. > > Yeah, but that's what I always say about the Emacs > bindings. They are close and short, except a few, which > I have redefined :) You could well be right - I'm just experimenting with emacs. Using WS keys could well conflict with others... I have read this but yet to test it for myself. I noticed how having installed Org that certain menu bars 'grey out' so I wonder what conflicts there are to show their face. >> DOS Word is popular too with writers it seems >> e.g. George Martin. > > A friend sent me this interview with GRRM: > > - I have two computers, one for email, taxes, surfing, > etc. And I have a writing computer, a DOS-machine, not > connected to the internet. > > - A DOS machine? > > - Yeah, remember DOS? > > - I'm curious to why you would stick with this old > program? > > - I use WordStar 4.0 (DOS) I like it, it does > everything I want a word processing program to do, and > it doesn't do anything else. I don't want any help, you > know, I hate some of these modern systems where you > type a lower case letter and it becomes capital. I > don't want it capital, If I wanted it capital, I would > have typed it capital, I know how to work the shift > key! I hate spell check, especially since I write about > the realm of 'Orbitor'. LOL - I quoted incorrectly... you're right he uses Wordstar not Word. I had read that and I was quoting from memory. > That's absolutely right but I suspect that has to do > with the color scheme (bright-on-dark), much less > distractions and movements (none, unless you type), and > no mouse use where you have to squeeze your eyes and > "aim", move you hand back and forth (look down to > "reset"), and such things. > >> another reason for me considering emacs, the console >> version will fit in with my console email client. > > Yeah, I use Gnus, the other guy use RMAIL, that's very > common and a huge advantage. I tried setting up Gnus and abandoned it with the intention of trying again. Mh is the other one. Thing is I like to use an email client to read (in my case) the imap server rather than downloading all the headers... remote use I believe it's called. Use Alpine and like it... tried Mutt but took too long to set up (for me anyway!). Gnus canbe set up the same way and I'll give it another go sometime. james