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X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:400c:c09::234 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:214479 Archived-At: --001a114b33e48120a9054e74e5cc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cl=C3=A9ment Pit-Claudel schrieb am Sa., 8. Apr. 20= 17 um 19:58 Uhr: > > > I'd actually prefer going into the other direction: preload much more > > than now, and remove lots of stuff from autoloads. This will probably > > need a different strategy for preloading (Daniel's approach, or > > Rmacs, or an Elisp LLVM compiler, ...). > > I don't have an opinion on this topic; I admire the work of both Daniel > and Ken, but I'm happy to defer to you and other experts for technical > opinions. > > I'm absolutely not an expert on this. All I'm suggesting is that the impact of such changes should be measured, and that startup time in batch mode isn't everything. --001a114b33e48120a9054e74e5cc Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


Cl=C3= =A9ment Pit-Claudel <cpitclaude= l@gmail.com> schrieb am Sa., 8. Apr. 2017 um 19:58=C2=A0Uhr:

> I'd actually prefer going into the other direction: preload much m= ore
> than now, and remove lots of stuff from autoloads. This will probably<= br> > need a different strategy for preloading (Daniel's approach, or > Rmacs, or an Elisp LLVM compiler, ...).

I don't have an opinion on this topic; I admire the work of both Daniel= and Ken, but I'm happy to defer to you and other experts for technical= opinions.


I'm absolutely not an expert on th= is. All I'm suggesting is that the impact of such changes should be mea= sured, and that startup time in batch mode isn't everything.=C2=A0
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