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From: Philipp Stephani <p.stephani2@gmail.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: phst@google.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Support threads in modules
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2017 20:05:19 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAArVCkRYxvPw_GUdpgdkW4W38=dRXv-BRsdGyw=jr17yOQV4rw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83tw5gp6hy.fsf@gnu.org>

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Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> schrieb am Sa., 22. Apr. 2017 um 21:49 Uhr:

> > From: Philipp Stephani <p.stephani2@gmail.com>
> > Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2017 19:21:35 +0000
> > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, phst@google.com
> >
> >  Can you explain the purpose of these changes and the motivation? A
> >  module shouldn't be restricted to be used by a single thread, should
> >  it?
> >
> > No, but the thread used to create an environment object, the current
> Emacs thread, and the current OS thread
> > all have to match. Right now this isn't checked; the current code checks
> only for the main thread, which isn't
> > correct any more now that there can be more than one interpreter thread.
>
> I agree that checking for the main thread is not TRT, but why not
> allow any thread of those in all_threads?  Why do we care that the env
> pointer was created by the same thread as the one using it?  We should
> only care that the invoking thread is one of the Emacs application
> threads, no?
>

- Using objects across threads requires careful synchronization. It's not
impossible, but a large burden on module authors.
- The more restrictive the module API is, the more freedom we have in the
implementation.
- The current check is easy to implement and understand. A check for
multiple threads would require another hash table with thread IDs etc.
- The Emacs module API is modelled after JNI, which has the same
restriction (
http://docs.oracle.com/javase/7/docs/technotes/guides/jni/spec/design.html).
We should stick to the JNI semantics wherever possible, because JNI is a
well-tested and robust technology.

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  reply	other threads:[~2017-04-22 20:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-04-22 15:24 [PATCH] Support threads in modules Philipp Stephani
2017-04-22 19:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-04-22 19:21   ` Philipp Stephani
2017-04-22 19:49     ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-04-22 20:05       ` Philipp Stephani [this message]
2017-04-22 20:14         ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-04-23  6:14           ` John Wiegley
2017-04-23 12:40             ` Stefan Monnier
2017-04-26  5:23               ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-04-23 15:54             ` Philipp Stephani
2017-04-23 15:52           ` Philipp Stephani
2017-04-26  5:31             ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-06-10 11:38               ` Philipp Stephani
2017-06-10 12:38                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-06-10 19:58                   ` Philipp Stephani
2017-06-11 13:25                     ` Philipp Stephani
2017-06-11 14:54                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-06-11 17:12                         ` Philipp Stephani
2017-06-11 15:01                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-06-12 15:04                       ` Philipp Stephani

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