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Tue, 03 Oct 2017 10:04:38 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <833770195e.fsf@gnu.org> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:137849 Archived-At: --001a11489cf489041d055aa77c24 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Eli Zaretskii schrieb am Di., 3. Okt. 2017 um 18:37 Uhr: > > From: Philipp Stephani > > Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2017 16:22:56 +0000 > > Cc: dgutov@yandex.ru, 28630@debbugs.gnu.org, tom@tromey.com, > > agrambot@gmail.com > > > > > Since no released version of Emacs has thread support, I'm not > surprised that they aren't widely used > > yet. > > > > Well, I am, because Reddit, for example, is full of people who say > > they use Emacs 26. > > > > I guess there's a huge selection bias at play. Most users typically use > whatever version their OS distributor > > provides, and that's often not even Emacs 25. Libraries tend to support > 24.x as well, and therefore can't use > > threads until they drop compatibility with both 24.x and 25.x. > > We are talking about developers, not users. And newer versions can be > supported by using the relevant version-comparison stuff. > Sure, but it's already a lot of work to use threads unconditionally, and they are a feature that can't be easily polyfilled. 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Eli Za= retskii <eliz@gnu.org> schrieb am= Di., 3. Okt. 2017 um 18:37=C2=A0Uhr:
> From: Philipp Stephani <p.stephani2@gmail.com>
> Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2017 16:22:56 +0000
> Cc: dgutov@yande= x.ru, 28630@= debbugs.gnu.org, to= m@tromey.com,
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0agrambot@gmail.com
>
>=C2=A0 > Since no released version of Emacs has thread support, I= 9;m not surprised that they aren't widely used
>=C2=A0 yet.
>
>=C2=A0 Well, I am, because Reddit, for example, is full of people who s= ay
>=C2=A0 they use Emacs 26.
>
> I guess there's a huge selection bias at play. Most users typicall= y use whatever version their OS distributor
> provides, and that's often not even Emacs 25. Libraries tend to su= pport 24.x as well, and therefore can't use
> threads until they drop compatibility with both 24.x and 25.x.

We are talking about developers, not users.=C2=A0 And newer versions can be=
supported by using the relevant version-comparison stuff.
<= div>
Sure, but it's already a lot of work to use threads = unconditionally, and they are a feature that can't be easily polyfilled= . So I can understand that library developers are hesitant.=C2=A0
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