From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Grant Rettke Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: [FYI] The Lisp Machine is back Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2014 20:18:38 -0500 Message-ID: References: <87d2ara5nv.fsf@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1411262342 20019 80.91.229.3 (21 Sep 2014 01:19:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2014 01:19:02 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Emacs Help To: Thorsten Jolitz Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Sep 21 03:18:57 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XVVnl-0007uJ-Ca for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 21 Sep 2014 03:18:57 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37504 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XVVnk-0006sR-OO for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 20 Sep 2014 21:18:56 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:47711) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XVVna-0006rx-Br for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 20 Sep 2014 21:18:47 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XVVnY-0001gK-Nv for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 20 Sep 2014 21:18:46 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-oi0-x229.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4003:c06::229]:55965) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XVVnY-0001fZ-HH for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 20 Sep 2014 21:18:44 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-oi0-f41.google.com with SMTP id u20so2830050oif.0 for ; Sat, 20 Sep 2014 18:18:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=AA+llm2NpfslOIIZ/GtP1zaaR2DvxMwGg0G+QwTk7Ok=; b=NV2AojmxYtysX9nJZ4Ym47CfbFLTUIqC5RqfMizfBHAASJflVn/pulr0KA7nqG9wWJ fhmRttiQvFKMlznF8ULuCCgBca75Ll1S90sCrdOQopP0RnQEdmIea5wcIgRgvqR+DbFz se2jWc0r2eYtbv2fyBbx9IAwxxb+M9XlhYT9xaN/HLSnvxOw/C7JJSAngXDhre96pGNN EUGRfSEmF5bDm0mGcM/Jma/CSAGMs5QNWYPTPf7XAF+gC6WeUH2Czl/yRcmJA0tmhP6b 7Wq5PUphN2n3vsLTSajfX0+GTF/J7BRAPTqAbJkz20wLurbwqsA3b2teXCsHGTgemnBS pn8A== X-Received: by 10.182.96.225 with SMTP id dv1mr18057806obb.50.1411262318830; Sat, 20 Sep 2014 18:18:38 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.182.65.104 with HTTP; Sat, 20 Sep 2014 18:18:38 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87d2ara5nv.fsf@gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: VEnk7zb343cucnpXUFdIidQ1M4Y X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4003:c06::229 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:100081 Archived-At: Wonderful! Grant Rettke gcr@wisdomandwonder.com | http://www.wisdomandwonder.com/ =E2=80=9CWisdom begins in wonder.=E2=80=9D --Socrates ((=CE=BB (x) (x x)) (=CE=BB (x) (x x))) =E2=80=9CLife has become immeasurably better since I have been forced to st= op taking it seriously.=E2=80=9D --Thompson On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 12:20 PM, Thorsten Jolitz wrote= : > > Hi List, > > Emacs success as an editor or rather an OS is sometimes explained by > its (at least superficial) similaritiy to a LispMachine [fn:1]: > > ,---- > | Emacs as a LispMachine > | > | Some people have started to refer to Emacs as a LispMachine. It is > | not strictly a LispMachine because, clearly, it is a software > | program and not a physical computer, but as that line starts to blur > | it seems like a useful epithet for Emacs because these days Emacs > | look more and more like an operating system. > `---- > > Today a modern 64bit LispMachine, based on one of the most exciting Lisp > dialects around, has been announced [fn:2]: > > ,---- > | PilMCU is an implementation of 64-bit PicoLisp directly in hardware. A > | truly minimalistic system. PicoLisp is both the machine language and th= e > | operating system: > | > | * Memory management is trivial, just the Lisp heap and the stack > | * The built-in database is extended to hold a "file system" > | * One SSD per database file for mass storage > | * "Processes" run as tasks and coroutines > | * Events (timing and interrupts) via a 'wait' instruction > | * Complex I/O protocols are delegated to peripheral chips > | > | The final hardware can be very lightweight. Low transistor count and > | power consumption. No overhead for an OS. It is conceivable for a later > | stage to put many interconnected CPUs on a single chip. > | > | At present, we have it running in the Verilog simulator, and in an > | emulator (adaption of the PicoLisp 'emu' architecture). [...] > | > | We imagine something in the line of an "Embedded Lisp Machine" or a > | "Lisp Machine Kit". Perhaps for home brewing, educational institutions > | and/or robotics research? > `---- > > I thought this might be interesting for Emacs hackers and user too. > > * Footnotes > > [fn:1] http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/LispMachine > > [fn:2] http://www.mail-archive.com/picolisp@software-lab.de/msg04823.html > > > -- > cheers, > Thorsten > >