From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juanma Barranquero Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Move to git is not imminent - esr is just tired of talking about it Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2014 19:41:19 +0100 Message-ID: References: <20140106165108.B6BF4380865@snark.thyrsus.com> <1389030588.11337.48.camel@Iris> <52CAF35F.9070005@dancol.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1389033723 1183 80.91.229.3 (6 Jan 2014 18:42:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2014 18:42:03 +0000 (UTC) Cc: "Eric S. Raymond" , =?UTF-8?Q?Jordi_Guti=C3=A9rrez_Hermoso?= , Emacs developers To: Daniel Colascione Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jan 06 19:42:09 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1W0F7m-00079q-8I for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 06 Jan 2014 19:42:06 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36825 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W0F7l-0000KB-P9 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 06 Jan 2014 13:42:05 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:36269) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W0F7h-0000K4-KP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 06 Jan 2014 13:42:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W0F7g-0008Iy-Ir for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 06 Jan 2014 13:42:01 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-ea0-x234.google.com ([2a00:1450:4013:c01::234]:45089) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W0F7g-0008Io-Bd for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 06 Jan 2014 13:42:00 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-ea0-f180.google.com with SMTP id f15so7957674eak.25 for ; Mon, 06 Jan 2014 10:41:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=DdnESKJTVhHJne88OYgYeO72+Zy00WLI+kk9MWhWydk=; b=aTxgGnmUfmuSx3Y7PM65TvRF9DGTS4IDfh1lJvj5OPg2j+85xoD57SwB8gEkgORcS4 4yfroxZdul4QH5MzTDV3n1Xn7ugnlbeF4zS32enP1yPiaA5UGhhNcOKH1CbCs78ovEY8 VMKRkZXhqNoD7qz4IoeDL/pDRVvU85VWI/sjRSDSVfFnavE69v7MN/u1YpzrWRdY5WxK FlavRAc+8pceBeNpsUwwlWC6Bi7DvoChH8E+OWTC+UtXeoXDanobB/IY+LvYXL32kEoc B5ZI0+G+v5q+pqX7Ay9qpBSMnISnuca9981ai+B4Z5ZffdOpWjv6bayyU1rhhvC+I7VO LdoA== X-Received: by 10.15.91.3 with SMTP id r3mr90452701eez.18.1389033719504; Mon, 06 Jan 2014 10:41:59 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.14.209.69 with HTTP; Mon, 6 Jan 2014 10:41:19 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <52CAF35F.9070005@dancol.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:4013:c01::234 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:167496 Archived-At: On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 7:18 PM, Daniel Colascione wrote: > Please focus now on > making the transition to git as smooth as possible. Why? I don't want to switch to Mercurial, so I'm not "siding" with Jordi here. I like Bazaar, but I don't oppose switching to git. But Jordi's right, the move to git is *not* imminent. I'm sorry, but I don't see why Eric, who (according to my brief perusal of the list's archive) has not posted on emacs-devel for about five years, suddenly has the right to appear here, "suggest" that the time has come to switch to git, and we should just say "yeah" on *his* terms. - He's not bringing any new argument that has not been discussed before; the only difference is that Richard and Stefan seem to accept now that Bazaar is beyond hope. - His message urging us to switch was posted *four days ago*. - He's appointed himself to the role of technical director of the switch, deciding when and how we should do it, whether Savannah git facilities are up to the task, timelines, etc. Why? There's no other Emacs people with git and/or Savannah experience? - Last, but not least: emacs-devel was not a democracy before, and it is not now. Voting and informal polls are great, but at the end of the day, it's Richard's and Stefan's opinion that counts. Yes, I know that Eric's message's header says "awaiting Stefan's approval", but frankly, this: > Stefan, please either (a) confirm that you as the official maintainer > are authorizing this, or (b) put a hold on it and explain what > additional steps or conditions you deem necessary before we move. is not how a polite request should look IMO. And, I'm sorry, but even if Stefan says that it's OK and Eric's done nothing wrong and I have my foot firmly in my mouth, I will still believe that we're being pushed for no particular reason other than Eric's whims. J