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From: Juanma Barranquero <lekktu@gmail.com>
To: Daniel Colascione <dancol@dancol.org>
Cc: "Eric S. Raymond" <esr@thyrsus.com>,
	"Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso" <jordigh@octave.org>,
	"Emacs developers" <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Move to git is not imminent - esr is just tired of talking about it
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2014 19:41:19 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAAeL0STzn1wU9oe=ibuPs0i=YRn=x0ZeQhCj0W=9g-8kK=--xw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <52CAF35F.9070005@dancol.org>

On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 7:18 PM, Daniel Colascione <dancol@dancol.org> wrote:

> Please focus now on
> making the transition to git as smooth as possible.

Why?

I don't want to switch to Mercurial, so I'm not "siding" with Jordi
here. I like Bazaar, but I don't oppose switching to git. But Jordi's
right, the move to git is *not* imminent.

I'm sorry, but I don't see why Eric, who (according to my brief
perusal of the list's archive) has not posted on emacs-devel for about
five years, suddenly has the right to appear here, "suggest" that the
time has come to switch to git, and we should just say "yeah" on *his*
terms.

- He's not bringing any new argument that has not been discussed
before; the only difference is that Richard and Stefan seem to accept
now that Bazaar is beyond hope.

- His message urging us to switch was posted *four days ago*.

- He's appointed himself to the role of technical director of the
switch, deciding when and how we should do it, whether Savannah git
facilities are up to the task, timelines, etc. Why? There's no other
Emacs people with git and/or Savannah experience?

- Last, but not least: emacs-devel was not a democracy before, and it
is not now. Voting and informal polls are great, but at the end of the
day, it's Richard's and Stefan's opinion that counts. Yes, I know that
Eric's message's header says "awaiting Stefan's approval", but
frankly, this:

> Stefan, please either (a) confirm that you as the official maintainer
> are authorizing this, or (b) put a hold on it and explain what
> additional steps or conditions you deem necessary before we move.

is not how a polite request should look IMO. And, I'm sorry, but even
if Stefan says that it's OK and Eric's done nothing wrong and I have
my foot firmly in my mouth, I will still believe that we're being
pushed for no particular reason other than Eric's whims.

    J



  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-01-06 18:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-01-06 16:51 Move to git is imminent - awaiting Stefan's approval Eric S. Raymond
2014-01-06 17:20 ` Jay Belanger
2014-01-06 19:40   ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-01-07 15:57     ` Jay Belanger
2014-01-07 11:20   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-01-07 11:26     ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-01-06 17:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-06 21:09   ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-06 21:29     ` Óscar Fuentes
2014-01-06 23:57       ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-07  0:20         ` Automatically marking conflicts are resolved (was: Move to git is imminent - awaiting Stefan's approval) Óscar Fuentes
2014-01-07  0:43           ` Automatically marking conflicts are resolved David Kastrup
2014-01-07  0:51             ` Óscar Fuentes
2014-01-07  8:33               ` David Kastrup
2014-01-07 11:04                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2014-01-07 12:34                   ` David Kastrup
2014-01-07 13:06                     ` Óscar Fuentes
2014-01-07 13:07                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-01-07  0:17     ` Move to git is imminent - awaiting Stefan's approval Leo Liu
2014-01-07  5:24     ` Thierry Volpiatto
2014-01-07 13:45       ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-07 16:22         ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-08 21:12     ` Barry Warsaw
2014-01-09  0:04       ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-09  6:32         ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-09  7:32           ` David Engster
2014-01-09  9:46           ` Juanma Barranquero
2014-01-06 17:40 ` Juanma Barranquero
2014-01-06 18:42   ` Bastien
2014-01-06 19:06     ` Jarek Czekalski
2014-01-06 19:37   ` Drew Adams
2014-01-06 19:42   ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-01-06 19:51     ` Drew Adams
2014-01-06 20:25       ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-01-06 20:28     ` Juanma Barranquero
2014-01-07 11:24     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-01-06 17:49 ` Move to git is not imminent - esr is just tired of talking about it Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso
2014-01-06 18:18   ` Daniel Colascione
2014-01-06 18:39     ` Jay Belanger
2014-01-06 18:41     ` Juanma Barranquero [this message]
2014-01-06 20:06       ` Karl Fogel
2014-01-06 20:26         ` Juanma Barranquero
2014-01-06 22:12           ` Karl Fogel
2014-01-06 22:15             ` Juanma Barranquero
2014-01-07 16:53           ` Richard Stallman
2014-01-07 21:08             ` Juanma Barranquero
2014-01-08  1:19             ` Bob Bobeck
2014-01-06 18:23   ` Drew Adams
2014-01-06 23:06     ` Werner LEMBERG
2014-01-06 19:10   ` David Kastrup
2014-01-06 19:30     ` Drew Adams
2014-01-06 20:32   ` Juanma Barranquero
2014-01-07  2:48 ` Move to git is imminent - awaiting Stefan's approval joakim
2014-01-07 10:03   ` Andreas Schwab
2014-01-07 10:08     ` joakim
2014-01-15 17:23 ` Martin Geisler
2014-01-15 18:39   ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-15 22:57     ` Martin Geisler
2014-01-15 23:53       ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-16 12:25       ` Rüdiger Sonderfeld
2014-01-16  1:40   ` Yuri Khan

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